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    Zen Surrender Indices

    I'm trying to figure out the best set of indices for Zen counting (original).

    There's the widely circulated ones on Snyder's forum:
    http://blackjackforumonline.com/cont...nt_Indices.htm

    Then I found this list generated by bigplayer using cvcx on Blackjackinfo Forum (http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=21798) and also BJ21.com (http://www.bj21.com/boards/free/free...;read=165970):

    17 vs Ace -6/+2 (reverse index...surrender at the number or above)
    16 vs Ace -1/Surr
    16 vs 10 -5
    16 vs 9 +1
    16 vs 8 +14
    15 vs Ace +3/-1
    15 vs 10 0
    15 vs 9 +4
    14 vs Ace +9/+5
    14 vs 10 +5
    14 vs 9 +9
    13 vs 10 +12
    88 vs 10 0
    77 vs 10 +4

    I suspect that Bigplayer's numbers are more accurate than Snyder's. Is that so? If so, why did Snyder post the numbers that he did? Are they supposed to be for the True Edge version of Zen?

    -jjjggg



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    Cvcx.

    Cvcx.

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    For some reason, Snyder has no indices for surrendering 17 against an Ace.

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    14 V 5 @ +5? That can't be right!

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