You're not specifying the number of decks so I'm assuming it's 6D,S17.
One thing is 12v4, which is total-dependent, and another is T,2v4, which is composition-dependent.
For Zen the index is 0 in both cases. If I remember correctly, in 2D,S17 the index is 0 and 1 respectively.
Hope this helps.
Sincerely,
Cac
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