I remember reading that too. Do you think it was because he didnt play enough? I'm borderline mentally retarded and I'm a lifetime winning player on the crap games we have today. With the quality games back then I'm pretty sure N0 is like 40 hours. How could someone playing an advanced count (and most likely incorporating side counts as well) not be a winning player on a game with an N0 of 40 or probably even less .......Originally Posted by aceside
That just means Griffin was not totally confident in his own math and theory about blackjack. I guess he was concerned about too many bugs in his simulation programs. Another reason I can speculate is that these earlier computers were not powerful enough to simulate the complexity of these games. BTW, what is N0? What is N0 for a 8 deck game as opposed to a 6 deck game? I just learn everything from talking to experts.
You really have to stop. You've reached a point where, totally and completely ignorant on a subject, you will write anything just to hear yourself talk. Griffin not totally confident in his own math and theory???!!! Peter was and remains to this day the foremost theoretical mathematician on the game of blackjack the world has ever seen. Your statement is profoundly ignorant.
And he was NOT a losing player! He played for small stakes and surely played a fine winning game. He simply had no desire to play for higher stakes and, therefore, his wins were modest.
You would do yourself and this forum a huge favor if you wouldn't speculate in areas about which you know absolutely nothing whatsoever. Why not just be quiet? As the well-known saying goes: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."
Don
Last edited by DSchles; 05-06-2021 at 10:24 AM.
The Wizard of Odds said that the best casino odd for match play coupons is the Baccarat Banker bet, which gives about 49.32% expected return. Of course this is for even money payout and for non card counters. For card counters, this issue becomes more complicated, but blackjack probably is not the best.
N0 (N-Zero) is the number of rounds of play required for your expected result (EV) to equal one standard deviation. Its value depends on all of the rules and conditions of the game you are playing (not just the number of decks) as well as your betting strategy.
I recently studied a little more about match play coupons online and found out that you were mostly correct on this issue. The best casino odd for match play coupons is the Baccarat Banker bet, which gives about 49.32% expected return. I used a lot of match play coupon on blackjack because that casino allowed me to keep them when surrendering.
I find the N0 value does not make any sense, at lease in the following two cases. If the blackjack rules are the same Hit-17, No DAS, and No Surrender, and a player uses the basic strategy to bet flat one unit, consider the following two cases:
For 6-deck, EV=-0.787%, variance=1.308, SD=1.1437, N0=Variance/EV^2=21,116.
For 8-deck, EV=-0.812%, variance=1.309, SD=1.1441, N0=Variance/EV^2=19,853.
Does this mean that in the 8-deck case, you need to play fewer hands to reach you goal of one SD? Perhaps you mean that the N0 index is only useful when EV>0? Or when the player is counting cards?
Like the Kelly Criterion and SCORE, N0 only has meaning for positive-expectation games. Playing BS and flat betting, you have no "goal" other than to play as slowly as you can to avoid ultimately going broke.
Don
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