Quote Originally Posted by Tarzan View Post
In a DD game play all scenario, the chances of seeing this sort of deck composition is slim, along the lines of how often you see the index for doubling 12vs6. On top of all that, if you are using Hi-Lo or similar, how do you determine (5-9) removed? You don't. You can calculate any tricky and unusual composition dependent index you want, but what good is it unless you can employ it at the table, the practical application factor? It's also something that could bring you a lot of scrutiny. I should add these indices for hitting hard 17 will have little or no impact on your bottom line.
I do have a way to figure out if hitting hard 17 is the better play (at DD only) but the scrutiny factor was the idea behind my question. I agree it's not a money maker but can it make a few bucks here and there while taking a low card out of a neg shoe and maybe even terminate a neg shoe. Is it worth the attention though?
Off all players, Tarzan, you certainly know when hitting Hard 17 or doubling down 12 vs 6 is the better play. Glad you brough this point up. From your response my understanding is that you would not make either move in real casino play when it's appropriate to do so for the purpose of staying under the radar.
Is that correct?

Quote Originally Posted by Tarzan View Post
What might be more relevant is the surrender index for 17vsT if late surrender is offered, around +6,+7 range when you have a max bet out there.
Great point! It probably brings less attention too. Is that correct?

Quote Originally Posted by Tarzan View Post
When I am flipping cards, playing a mock game on my blackjack table at home, it's always a play all situation, and I vary between picking every hand apart with a microscope, taking my time doing it and fast heads up, as fast as I can go. There's the rare WTF occasion in which I pause and consider something like hitting hard 17, not often enough to make any difference whether I did it or not since it's going to be a minimum bet out there and the lack of frequency of the situation occurring.
Nice to hear about how you train. Most people don't know how to train at whatever they are trying to do. If you have other training suggestions, feel free to share! What's your BJ daily routine for example?