Deck Penetration EV in CVCX

[Ultramood]

The very minimum SCORE I would accept is 25. That means your SD is 20x your EV for a specific game.
I should add... This is a kind of SCORE you will accept only when "forced" on a play all game due to particular casino conditions.

For a 6D, 4 players, S17, 4.5/6 pen, no back counting, play all hands including negative counts, play 1 hand only,
Spread 1-25: SCORE = 18.18
Spread 1-50: SCORE = 23.11

But if you change just 1 rule, to 5/6 deck penetration and keep everything else the same.
Spread 1-15: The SCORE then achieves 25.01

or adding an additional rule, DAS. 4.5/6 Deck
Spread: 1-20. The SCORE is 25.00

I'm trying to create a scenario where the gaming conditions are absolute minimal and crappy. Combined with the least amount of player effort such as no back counting, playing only 1 hand, and playing through the entire shoe even if the count goes bad. This situation is definitely not what you wish and hope for. A "forced" on play like G Man said.

My point and what I'm understanding, a SCORE of 25 was barely achieved under those rules I've stated. And it goes to show you what "acceptable" but still "forced" the game's condition looks like at its bare minimum SCORE. And in-order to improve it, you have to find more beneficial rules such as DAS, RSA, SR, or better deck pen.

SCORE could be increased by; if you back count , play 2 hands, or don't play negative counts. But maybe you simply just don't want to or it's not your playing style. But that doesn't matter, that is not the point.

Does the minimal SCORE of 25 still apply if you don't back count, play entire shoe, and play only 1 hand? A better way to ask is, what is the minimum SCORE for a person who doesn't back count, plays entire shoe, and only plays 1 hand? With it being worthy for you to play and is profitable obviously.

[Freightman]

For a 6D, 4 players, S17, 4.5/6 pen, no back counting, play all hands including negative counts, play 1 hand only,
Spread 1-25: SCORE = 18.18
Spread 1-50: SCORE = 23.11

But if you change just 1 rule, to 5/6 deck penetration and keep everything else the same.
Spread 1-15: The SCORE then achieves 25.01

or adding an additional rule, DAS. 4.5/6 Deck
Spread: 1-20. The SCORE is 25.00

I'm trying to create a scenario where the gaming conditions are absolute minimal and crappy. Combined with the least amount of player effort such as no back counting, playing only 1 hand, and playing through the entire shoe even if the count goes bad. This situation is definitely not what you wish and hope for. A "forced" on play like G Man said.

My point and what I'm understanding, a SCORE of 25 was barely achieved under those rules I've stated. And it goes to show you what "acceptable" but still "forced" the game's condition looks like at its bare minimum SCORE. And in-order to improve it, you have to find more beneficial rules such as DAS, RSA, SR, or better deck pen.

SCORE could be increased by; if you back count , play 2 hands, or don't play negative counts. But maybe you simply just don't want to or it's not your playing style. But that doesn't matter, that is not the point.

Does the minimal SCORE of 25 still apply if you don't back count, play entire shoe, and play only 1 hand? A better way to ask is, what is the minimum SCORE for a person who doesn't back count, plays entire shoe, and only plays 1 hand? With it being worthy for you to play and is profitable obviously.

First, my apologies for referring to you as Snarky. Clearly you’re not as your style is far too intelligent and polished. I find your questions interesting.

Don made the comment that a SCORE of 50, which was once considered as minimal to play, should now be considered a good game by today’s shitty offerings. I concur.

Another important consideration that should be added to your criteria is strength of bankroll. The shoestring roll needs to be far more diligent regarding overall conditions. The variance of crappy games will murder that individual. A stronger bankroll of a player with the proper skills should be able to overcome these game considerations.

Poor conditions equates to no tipping, no camo, bigger spreads and no mercy. Many equate their bankroll in terms of units. Others in terms of max or super max bets, others both. Regardless, it needs to be considered.

[DSchles]

For a 6D, 4 players, S17, 4.5/6 pen, no back counting, play all hands including negative counts, play 1 hand only,
Spread 1-25: SCORE = 18.18
Spread 1-50: SCORE = 23.11

But if you change just 1 rule, to 5/6 deck penetration and keep everything else the same.
Spread 1-15: The SCORE then achieves 25.01

or adding an additional rule, DAS. 4.5/6 Deck
Spread: 1-20. The SCORE is 25.00

I'm trying to create a scenario where the gaming conditions are absolute minimal and crappy. Combined with the least amount of player effort such as no back counting, playing only 1 hand, and playing through the entire shoe even if the count goes bad. This situation is definitely not what you wish and hope for. A "forced" on play like G Man said.

My point and what I'm understanding, a SCORE of 25 was barely achieved under those rules I've stated. And it goes to show you what "acceptable" but still "forced" the game's condition looks like at its bare minimum SCORE. And in-order to improve it, you have to find more beneficial rules such as DAS, RSA, SR, or better deck pen.

SCORE could be increased by; if you back count , play 2 hands, or don't play negative counts. But maybe you simply just don't want to or it's not your playing style. But that doesn't matter, that is not the point.

Does the minimal SCORE of 25 still apply if you don't back count, play entire shoe, and play only 1 hand? A better way to ask is, what is the minimum SCORE for a person who doesn't back count, plays entire shoe, and only plays 1 hand? With it being worthy for you to play and is profitable obviously.

For a very quick and efficient comparison of effect of rules and pen, see BJA3, pp. 232-233.

Don