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    Quote Originally Posted by 21frogman View Post
    Bjanalyst, since you've asked the question twice and not received an answer, I'll try. The reason is that Tarzan hasn't tried to get others to use his system. Also, I doubt that very many people on this forum knew the intricacies of Tarzan's system prior to Gronbog's work.


    Thanks for your comments and I also want to thank Gronbog for his comment where he said that Tarzan never got criticized because he never said that his Tarzan count was simple and tried to get other players to use it.

    I have absolutely no problem in keeping the KO with two side counts using chips. I update KO in my head and AA89mTc stack of chips as soon as the cards hit the table and update 5m7c (or Am8c if Super 4 offered) after all cards are on the table. I can update all these counts quicker than any dealer can deal and can do it for hours on end without mistakes and I get bored because I still have time left over after updating all of these counts. And since I use KO with a pivot at a true count of 4 I use TCRC (Table of Critical Running Counts) to instantly "look up" the true count.

    The casino I go to offers $5 blackjack with six decks, 5 decks dealt, S17, DAS, LS, Lucky Ladies with full payout and Super 4. Since Super 4 is offered I keep Am8c instead of 5m7c. My maximum bet is two hands of $40 or three hands of $30. When count goes bad I ask the dealer to put markers on my spots and I leave, cash in chips I have in my pockets, come back and buy in for more chips at the next shoe so it looks like I am losing.

    I have been doing this 3 or 4 times a week for over 6 months now. I have hit QHQH around 6 times (once with dealer blackjack for 1000 to 1 payout) and sometimes I am betting LL when tc(KO) = 0, 1 or 2 if AA89mTc is large enough because remember my Lucky Ladies count = Ten Count = KO + AA89mTc. So I look like an ordinary gambler.

    Also I have three opportunities to bet so the vast majority of my sessions are wins and when I do lose my losses are small.

    So I do not understand why forum readers say my system is too complicated for them.

    But considering every counter I meet uses the HL and refuses to switch to even the KO I have basically given up on trying to convince others that it is not that difficult to do. They are very stubborn, do not want to switch and do not want to learn TCRC. They will not switch to the KO and certainly will never switch to a level 2 count.

    That is why I was trying to analyze side counts for the HL. Since all the counters I meet want to keep the HL the only way I could help them is to add side counts to the HL.

    I want to thank Gronbog for his help with the sims for HL w 7m9c. My other suggested side count for the HL player is Am6c.

    An alternative to the Am6s with the HL is the ASC. I had already given posts on both of these in posts on HL w 7m9c sim results.

    I personally do not like ASC because I find them difficult to keep and they are approximate. ASC requires keeping track of an ever increasing value of Aces played and estimating decks played to calculated Adef = deficiency of Aces left in the shoe = Ap - 4*dp where dp = decks played. I like plus/minus side counts which are EXACT and fluctuate around their mean of zero.

    My friend HL counter who I email and talk to ove the phone and in person said he would like to keep an ASC with the HL. Appartenly he finds that easy to do. So whom I am to say? I do not like ASC but he does.

    So I calculated indices for this count. If no side bets are offered, HL w Am6c and HL w ASC are approximately equal. However, if LL and/or Super 4 are offered, ASC is a better side count to keep with HL than Am6c is. I had posted this information in posts on my posts on HL w 7m9c sim results that Gronbog did. If interested refer to that post.
    Last edited by bjanalyst; 01-21-2020 at 09:20 PM.

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