Quote Originally Posted by Wave View Post
Maybe avoid 8D and exclusively backcount and/or frontcount and Wong out at ODP? At least until you grind back to even? It should help you significantly. I don't play all hands anymore. Of course I still experience losing trips, but they are much less frequent and losses seem smaller...except when I get one of those + count losing shoe beat downs.

When you do Wong out now, at what count are you doing so?
I don’t play negative counts at all. I have no done play all in any of the 300 hours. I follow the ODP from BJA3, either playing the shoe off the top wonging out or back counting. I just have been getting hammered consistently in positive shoes. It never seems to end.