Originally Posted by
seriousplayer
It doesn't take three or four secondary side count to beat Hi-OPT II w ASC, one secondary count is enough. Adding more secondary side count makes your count system harder.
In this post I am going to show that your statement above is incorrect.
Here are the counts you mentioned that beat HO2 w ASC and none of them is a level one primary count with one side count that beats HO2 w ASC so none of them are simpler than KO w AA89mTc and 5m7c.
They all have a level of complexity in them more difficult than KO w 5m7c and AA89mTc.
They are all either level 2 or level 3 primary counts with a side count of Aces (I do not like single card side counts like a side count of Aces - the Aces played is always increasing and you have to estimate decks played so the ASC is APPROXIMATE and much more difficult to keep track of than plus/minus side counts which are EXACT and fluctuate about their mean of zero) or a primary count with multiple side counts (like Gordon that you mentioned below) to beat HO2 w ASC.
Tarzan Count
4 levels of complexity
Gordon Count with side counts
Level one primary count but have to keep multiple single card side counts which is exactly opposite of what you said when you said you needed only one side count.
BRH II combined with a secondary count to get BRH I for betting.
Level 2 primary count with side count
USTON APC w ASC.
Level 3 primary count with side count of Aces
VICTOR APC w ASC
Level 3 primary count with side count of Aces
So every one of your suggested counts that beats the HO2 w ASC are either a level 2 or higher primacy count with a side count or the level one Gordon count with multiple side counts and they are all more complex than KO w 5m7c and AA89mTc and even your very best count, the Tarzan count, does not beat KO w 5m7c and AA89mTc for the backcounted scenarios.
If 45m79c were used instead of 5m7c with KO and AA89mTc giving you KO w 45m79c and AA89mTc then the advantage over the very best count you have, the extremely complex Tarzan count which you are totally OK with and have no complaints about its complexity, would be even greater with three levels of complexity as compared to Tarzan's four levels of complexity.
A level one primary count, like the KO, and plus/minus side counts, are the easiest to keep. I do not like level 2 or 3 primary counts and I do not like side counts of individual cards like an Ace side count for example.
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