Originally Posted by
Wave
@Don: I started this thread because people liked to rag on Z because he used to "preserve the win" and I wanted to show that it is not the end of the world and you can still have a winning game if done based on sim data instead of emotion and you are willing to accept lower hourly EV.
Right now I only do it at one casino that has been giving me generous comps and I want to continue milking them. I am a weekly return player there and don't want to rub their nose in the fact I'm beating them. "Quitting when I'm ahead" adds a little cover IMO. Last night I left there on a + count after a 10 unit win..."he just got lucky, no card counter would leave on a + count". In fact, the dealer commented on how "lucky" I was and said "don't get crazy now..." My philosphy there is that if they think that you "just got lucky", or are a lucky player, then let them continue thinking that way and don't do something to change their minds. This is all akin to the stop loss posts I made a few months ago.
At the other casinos I fequent I just use ODPs to decide when to stop because I am not there often enough to be remembered and the comps are pitiful.
And I don't think it is "instantly intuitive" to everyone, hence my posts...
Nice backtrack lol...actually here is the first paragraph of your first post...
"A lot of members here like to give Z shit for his "preserving the win" comments, but this is completely unwarranted and IMHO is a manifestation of their ignorance regarding the value of preserving a win to reduce ROR. Contrary to their misconceptions, it IS important and valuable to know when to stop playing when on a trip. The data provided below is based on a sim I am currently running (now at 6B hands played) and is evidence that "preserving the win" can reduce ROR if based on sim generated empirical data and not on emotion."
So yeah like Don said, you can reduce ROR all the way down to zero if you want...just stop playing forever. How could that not be intuitive?
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