Losing if hole carder sitting at the first place.

[Freightman]

Has anyone calculated the net ploppy effect? They leave when they lose, thus eating more than their share of bad cards, but they also slow down the game. Would be a cool sim to see.

Also, how do hole carders help the table?

I don’t hole card. I prefer, and usually get heads up. When I don’t get heads up, I generally control the table. My “unusual d3viations help more iften than hurt the table.

Funny though, ploppies complain, even after winning that “I changed the cards”.

I think it was Stealth yesterday or the day before quoted a Forrest Gump saying. i would add to that - you cant fix stupid.

[refinery]

There is a point to long threads. There was a post by Yfhuang81 simply stating: "On average, ploppy usually leave when the count getting higher, so they help" that was marked unhelpful. Actually, it is theoretically true and you can improve the effect by making comments at the table.

In the context of this thread (where it was posted) it wasn't helpful (though as you point out the statement was true).

[BankerCA]

For the life of me, I don't understand why some folks take time out of their lives to insult other posters.

I don't get this either but this has long been my theory...

During actual play a counter is constantly subjected to ploppies and their voodoo thinking...

PLOPPY:
"You took the dealers bust card"...
"Why would you hit that 16 vs. 10"...
"Why would you split a winning hand"...
and so on...

ADVANTAGE PLAYER:
Wants to educate the ploppy, but cant give themselves away...
And the "You play your hand - I play mine" makes it worse.
Meanwhile they are building up frustration inside from the APPEARANCE of being OWNED by the ploppy.


Advantage player knows he was correct 30 out of the 30 times during the session when he was lectured by the ploppies, but could say nothing. Just sits there and takes it.

Advantage player now gets on a forum and reads what is obviously voodoo thinking and lets loose his buildup from the appearance of being OWNED by the ploppies earlier in the day.

He goes to town on the OP with insults and attacks.

This is his "Release or Payback".
Very few professions can you sit there and say nothing when you know you have the correct answer time after time.
Advantage play is not for everyone. You must be strong.
As an AP you must have a "ON/OFF" switch entering and leaving the casino.