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    Quote Originally Posted by hitthat16 View Post
    ^ I would have played as many hands of $5 as I could just to take up the spots from any potential $100 players.
    You could make money with a $5 to $50 spread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    You could make money with a $5 to $50 spread.
    True, but decreasing EV by a factor of 20 isn't my idea of making money.

    With a 5-50 spread you can make more by learning one phrase: "Do you want fries with that?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    True, but decreasing EV by a factor of 20 isn't my idea of making money.

    With a 5-50 spread you can make more by learning one phrase: "Do you want fries with that?"
    Or, do you want those fries supersized

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    True, but decreasing EV by a factor of 20 isn't my idea of making money.

    With a 5-50 spread you can make more by learning one phrase: "Do you want fries with that?"
    Haha!! Yep. Zeebabar I try to support you man...but you don't see how 21forme playing a $100 minimum game then might not be interested in a change to $5-50??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Counting_Is_Fun View Post
    Haha!! Yep. Zeebabar I try to support you man...but you don't see how 21forme playing a $100 minimum game then might not be interested in a change to $5-50??
    I can understand it but I was thinking he would not want to give them the immediate satisfaction of seeing him leave the table. I would wonder what would happen if he kept winning, even if less rapidly. I have been flatbet but not allowed to spread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    I can understand it but I was thinking he would not want to give them the immediate satisfaction of seeing him leave the table. I would wonder what would happen if he kept winning, even if less rapidly. I have been flatbet but not allowed to spread.
    I stayed, betting $50, until the count dropped, then I left. This was a 6D shoe.

    In NJ, the law requires them to give you a 1:10 spread, unless the flat bet level is $200 or greater.
    Last edited by 21forme; 08-21-2019 at 06:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    I stayed, betting $50, until the count dropped, then I left. This was a 6D shoe.

    In NJ, the law requires them to give you a 1:10 spread, unless the flat bet level is $200 or greater.
    Can you cite where the spread is in the law? I remember being flat bet in AC with them saying what I currently had in the circle was my flat bet amount. I found it odd but it makes more sense now because it exceeded $200. Unfortunately, when I didn't care they realized the count justified the bet and shuffled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by refinery View Post
    Can you cite where the spread is in the law?
    Not off the top of my head :-)

    I have an AP friend who is an attorney (and I think you know him from the old NEAP days). He's the one who told me about it. I'm sure he's gone through the Gaming statutes. The $200 thing somehow got slipped in there about 5 years ago. Prior to that, they had to give the 1:10 spread, hence the 5-50 placards that every casino has tucked away in the pit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Not off the top of my head :-)

    I have an AP friend who is an attorney (and I think you know him from the old NEAP days). He's the one who told me about it. I'm sure he's gone through the Gaming statutes. The $200 thing somehow got slipped in there about 5 years ago. Prior to that, they had to give the 1:10 spread, hence the 5-50 placards that every casino has tucked away in the pit.
    Good stuff. I'll let you know if I track it down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Not off the top of my head :-)

    I have an AP friend who is an attorney (and I think you know him from the old NEAP days). He's the one who told me about it. I'm sure he's gone through the Gaming statutes. The $200 thing somehow got slipped in there about 5 years ago. Prior to that, they had to give the 1:10 spread, hence the 5-50 placards that every casino has tucked away in the pit.
    21forme, apparently we both know more of the same people than I originally thought as I was a NEAP member for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    21forme, apparently we both know more of the same people than I originally thought as I was a NEAP member for a long time.
    Makes sense, given your handle. I've known him for 25+ years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    I can understand it but I was thinking he would not want to give them the immediate satisfaction of seeing him leave the table. I would wonder what would happen if he kept winning, even if less rapidly. I have been flatbet but not allowed to spread.
    As a generality, I’d suggest those out there to sim good rules average pen $25 min against good rules fantastic deck pen with either $5 or $10 min with either $100 or $200 max - by the way, I’ll play that low limit game heads up.

    Then, for shits and giggles, to keep the riff raff off the table, sim (with one player grandfathered in at $10 min, $25 min-$200 max bet good rules 5.5 or better out of 6. You get to spread when you want to your hearts content. I agreed to those terms as well.

    The point is - understand your rules against deck pen against spread equation and your expected dollar return.

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