Heartbreaking sims

**ZeeBabar** · 08-01-2019, 10:23 AM

No, a lot of folks started with less. However, underbetting is the big issue. If your bank roll is small, you just simply have to take some risks. Ifare spreading just 1-5 or 6, you would need your max bet out early, like TC2 or TC3. If you are playing $10 red chip games, $10k would be sufficient. A lot of people started with less. You still need some luck.

**delphiguru** · 08-01-2019, 11:29 AM

I am even newer to BJ than you, UncleChoo. I'm 73. I played once in the 60's at Vegas and took $20 to $500 by accident. But, kept playing, because that's what I was doing..."playing", not trying to win. By 5am I was down to $30, so I retired to my hotel room (which I had paid for before I started playing BJ).

Regarding your pessimism...I feel the same. I started studying BJ in earnest a few months ago and have played a little online free BJ. But, being the skeptic that I am, I just didn't trust the casino's shoe. So, I wrote my own BJ program that shuffles the shoe and can display it on my PC's screen. Then, I play and have noted that some very strange deals and draws DO occur.

I am now writing an analytical module that will allow me to run different strategies against the same previously-saved shoes over and over. I'm hoping to find a strategy that will be easy to remember and execute at the table. I still do NOT trust online BJ. I don't count cards.
Good luck. delphiguru

**PinkChip** · 08-01-2019, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by ZeeBabar

No, a lot of folks started with less. However, underbetting is the big issue. If your bank roll is small, you just simply have to take some risks. Ifare spreading just 1-5 or 6, you would need your max bet out early, like TC2 or TC3. If you are playing $10 red chip games, $10k would be sufficient. A lot of people started with less. You still need some luck.

Hmmm, my understanding of a proper bet ramp is that you should put out your max bet at a TC of +4, not +3 (plus three is for insurance), otherwise it is overbetting. For shoe games, 1-5 ain't not enough, 1-10 would be better, e.g. 10K bank with min bet of 10 and max bet of 100 dollars. Regarding red 5 dollar chips: I have a chip suitcase which additionally contains 10 dollar chips in blue, but don't know if this color and denomination is common in the US.

**stopgambling** · 08-01-2019, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by PinkChip

For shoe games, 1-5 ain't not enough, 1-10 would be better,

generally this is true but certainly not universal . Counting has become very tough ( quick counter measure) . Read as much as you can and practice a lot and i mean a lot . Some people play a very aggressive game and some just milk it cause they can't move around a lot. Choose your style of play accordingly.

**21forme** · 08-02-2019, 04:30 AM

Originally Posted by PinkChip

Hmmm, my understanding of a proper bet ramp is that you should put out your max bet at a TC of +4, not +3 (plus three is for insurance), otherwise it is overbetting

Not necessarily true. Typically, in a deeper cut game, you ramp up more slowly and in a game with poor penetration you ramp up more quickly for optimal betting. That's what sims tell you.

**Freightman** · 08-02-2019, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by 21forme

Not necessarily true. Typically, in a deeper cut game, you ramp up more slowly and in a game with poor penetration you ramp up more quickly for optimal betting. That's what sims tell you.

Exactly what the sims say. This is why the tolerant lousy pen game is beatable. And it’s tolerant because of the adjacent grave yard of poorly funded counters.