Does this contest have a positive EV?

[cottage cheese]

Wow, never mind. Been playing for around 13 hours now and in almost EVERY SINGLE shoe (besides 4 i think), the count goes high/very high and does not come down. Almost no negative counts at all. At every single table. 8-deck shoe, about 40-45% pen. They rarely bust when showing a bust card, and when they do, it's almost always with a 7, 8, or 9. This is a REPUTABLE casino. I've never seen anything like this. I'm thinking of just giving up because this seems so shady. I don't know if they're short-shoeing or it's something with the ASM, but this cannot be legit. It's so hard to believe a legit casino could do something like this, but i can't deny what i'm seeing.

What are the odds of this??

[RS]

Wow, never mind. Been playing for around 13 hours now and in almost EVERY SINGLE shoe (besides 4 i think), the count goes high/very high and does not come down. Almost no negative counts at all. At every single table. 8-deck shoe, about 40-45% pen. They rarely bust when showing a bust card, and when they do, it's almost always with a 7, 8, or 9. This is a REPUTABLE casino. I've never seen anything like this. I'm thinking of just giving up because this seems so shady. I don't know if they're short-shoeing or it's something with the ASM, but this cannot be legit. It's so hard to believe a legit casino could do something like this, but i can't deny what i'm seeing.

What are the odds of this??

Without hard data, there's no way to tell.

[cottage cheese]

Without hard data, there's no way to tell.

if you personally experienced this, there's no way you'd continue to play, right? even if the prize for most play is 10k or 7.5k. if they're clumping all the big cards in the back then this game must have a disgusting HE. Still can't believe a major casino would do this - though i guess it is much easier to get away with in a live dealer online setting versus in a real casino.

[RS]

if you personally experienced this, there's no way you'd continue to play, right? even if the prize for most play is 10k or 7.5k. if they're clumping all the big cards in the back then this game must have a disgusting HE. Still can't believe a major casino would do this - though i guess it is much easier to get away with in a live dealer online setting versus in a real casino.

What is there to "experience"? You said you played 13 hours and almost every shoe went very positive except 4. Did you play 10 shoes? 100 shoes? Who knows, because there's no hard data. I don't know what you mean by "rarely bust" and "almost always with a 7, 8, or 9"....what does that even mean? Are we talking 60%? 90% Are you just going by memory or is this stuff legitimately logged and noted? The only thing to really go off of is that there is 40-45% penetration, but that by itself still means nothing.

Your post is the equivalent of someone writing, "Hey guys, I've been a card counter for a while and I had a big bankroll and was playing rather large stakes but not too big and the games were pretty good IMO. Anyway, after playing for some amount of time I've been on a losing streak and my bankroll just went bust. What are the odds I ran this bad versus getting cheated?" There's literally no way to even guess at the answer without actual data like bankroll, rules & pen of game, spread (and if/when it changed), # of hours played, perhaps count system, and other stuff like that.

[cottage cheese]

What is there to "experience"? You said you played 13 hours and almost every shoe went very positive except 4. Did you play 10 shoes? 100 shoes? Who knows, because there's no hard data. I don't know what you mean by "rarely bust" and "almost always with a 7, 8, or 9"....what does that even mean? Are we talking 60%? 90% Are you just going by memory or is this stuff legitimately logged and noted? The only thing to really go off of is that there is 40-45% penetration, but that by itself still means nothing.

Your post is the equivalent of someone writing, "Hey guys, I've been a card counter for a while and I had a big bankroll and was playing rather large stakes but not too big and the games were pretty good IMO. Anyway, after playing for some amount of time I've been on a losing streak and my bankroll just went bust. What are the odds I ran this bad versus getting cheated?" There's literally no way to even guess at the answer without actual data like bankroll, rules & pen of game, spread (and if/when it changed), # of hours played, perhaps count system, and other stuff like that.

no, i did not take notes while playing. and the positive count streak was around 20 hours. how many shoes? hard to say, but at least 100.

i believe i noted that the game is 8 deck, which made me even more suspicious of the high percentage of high counts.

but as i noted in my last response, when i resumed playing, the shoes seemed normal: not too many very high counts or low counts.