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    Quote Originally Posted by Obi-wan21 View Post
    I try to rat hole but I cant do anything about when I go on quick runs.
    Maybe try not to rat-hole. The dealer, pit-boss, and manager may not see...but the EITS *might*. Consider that. Looks kinda strange to see you ramp your bets while hiding singe green/black chips here and there.

    I don't slash and burn locals. I only do that at the further stores now. Honestly I overestimated one places tolerances. They started sweating me even when I just had 4 black chips in my hand. All the other clientele were betting 3 and 5 dollar mins.

    The second back off was for an reason unknown to me. I had played for 20 mins here ever. I was using full cover plays and only increasing my bets after parlays. It was a small place too so maybe they just didn't like the action?
    Most small casinos don't take green/black that well, its seems. Unless you are a known gambler and a major loser at that, they may welcome you. Otherwise, heavy red, light green is what I would consider "pushing it", at least in my neck of the woods.

    Could you explain N_0 or point me to an explanation. Is that a degree of confidence?

    It's a number that appears in cxcv?
    N_0 is the number of rounds needed to be within 1 Standard Deviation of the mean. In this case, N_0 is when EV is equal to 1SD. Usually, this number is something like 16000 or 22000 in CVData. 1SD is a measurement of around 66.7% of the given population around the mean.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_deviation

    Blackjack Attack 3rd Ed. by Don S. covers N_0 as well as ideas of statistical analysis of blackjack results for AP's. If you have that, consider reading it tonight and into next week. If not, order it! You are missing out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogman_1234 View Post
    Maybe try not to rat-hole. The dealer, pit-boss, and manager may not see...but the EITS *might*. Consider that. Looks kinda strange to see you ramp your bets while hiding singe green/black chips here and there.
    What does one do about booking a loss in that case? In my favorite casino I've won 9 out of the last 10 visits. I can not bring myself to lose on purpose. I usually try to just keep a couple green in my left hand when picking up or placing bets, than once in my lap under the table i can just drop them in my opposite jacket pocket.

    Most small casinos don't take green/black that well, its seems. Unless you are a known gambler and a major loser at that, they may welcome you. Otherwise, heavy red, light green is what I would consider "pushing it", at least in my neck of the woods.
    Yea it was funny, so at this store the first time I won a couple black off the top. I was making conversation with the pittie about how i saw they had a DD game listed by the door. He offered to open it up for me and I said sure. So he goes and grabs a dealer and opens up this Nice empty 6 to 5 DD game for me. The whole place was super excited there was new money here. Even gave me some free play chips. I felt bad so I played on this table figuring it was fine because the min was really low... Lost most of the hands and made a big deal about losing and having to switch back to 6D. Lost a bit more of my winnings on 6D and finished the day only up by 30$. I went to a couple different casinos later that week and dumped 3,100$ in a couple days. Went Back to this small casino dropped all cover and started hitting em hard, motivated by my recent losses. Won 1.1k before being backed off. Could have tapered it out for more but I had never been backed off before this. Its funny how much they loved me when they thought I was dumb.


    N_0 is the number of rounds needed to be within 1 Standard Deviation of the mean. In this case, N_0 is when EV is equal to 1SD. Usually, this number is something like 16000 or 22000 in CVData. 1SD is a measurement of around 66.7% of the given population around the mean.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_deviation

    Blackjack Attack 3rd Ed. by Don S. covers N_0 as well as ideas of statistical analysis of blackjack results for AP's. If you have that, consider reading it tonight and into next week. If not, order it! You are missing out!
    Yea I have it. I think I skipped over the section in my first go because it didn't directly relate to my technical aspects of playing. Which is what I was developing at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obi-wan21 View Post
    What does one do about booking a loss in that case? In my favourite casino I've won 9 out of the last 10 visits. I can not bring myself to lose on purpose. I usually try to just keep a couple green in my left hand when picking up or placing bets, than once in my lap under the table i can just drop them in my opposite jacket pocket.
    Nothing. You can't control 'swings' (read: variance). Ever heard of "heaters"? "Coolers"? You can still be a losing player and be on a winning streak. See if you can play the part.

    Again, rat-holing is fooling no one from the Eye. If you feel your winning is going to burn you: consider shorter sessions?

    Yea it was funny, so at this store the first time I won a couple black off the top. I was making conversation with the pittie about how i saw they had a DD game listed by the door. He offered to open it up for me and I said sure. So he goes and grabs a dealer and opens up this Nice empty 6 to 5 DD game for me. The whole place was super excited there was new money here. Even gave me some free play chips. I felt bad so I played on this table figuring it was fine because the min was really low... Lost most of the hands and made a big deal about losing and having to switch back to 6D. Lost a bit more of my winnings on 6D and finished the day only up by 30$. I went to a couple different casinos later that week and dumped 3,100$ in a couple days. Went Back to this small casino dropped all cover and started hitting em hard, motivated by my recent losses. Won 1.1k before being backed off. Could have tapered it out for more but I had never been backed off before this. Its funny how much they loved me when they thought I was dumb.
    Hmmm, what was the reason for playing a 6:5 DD game? The HE is something fierce like 1.50% in favour of the casino, or something like that?


    As for your losses. Those are to be expected. Going on tilt will:
    A.) Get you barred.
    B.) Lose your advantage

    Here, you went on tilt, swore off cover play, and wore off any welcome left the casino had for you.

    Lemme tell you that I did something similar:

    I was playing at an out-of-town casino. They had a 6D H17 DAS/RSA game with decent pen. At the time, I was using Knockout. When the RC got to -6, I spread to two hands of 2 units each and ramped up one unit per running count increase. When the count went below -6, I wonged out, sitting out at the table. I watched tv while counting. When the RC got back up, wonged backed in, spread and rose again. I also was slowly rat-holing all the blacks that we coming my way. I did this about 3 shoes over a 20-30 minute run.

    I got the tap.

    I did this at another casino as well, after not learning my lesson. After the second time, I cooled off playing for some time.


    Basically, starting out, I was too aggressive with little cover play. I also camped out at the same table shoe after shoe. Same thing you are doing. I later stopped playing for a while and began looking at other methods of counting while researching methods for keeping under the radar.

    Here, Blackjack Attack will help give you some ideas.

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