The great mystery involving ASM, and can they be pre programed to cheat?

[BoSox]

No law could accuse the casinos of cheating. The casinos would have the best defence there is. The machines offer the most random shuffle possible as it prevents clumping.

I hit a few stiffs against 5/6 and the same dealer didnt like it! He said I was one of those who figured how to beat the machines? Maybe coincidence but I won most of those bonehead plays!

You just contradicted yourself. In the first above quote you say:
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The machines offer the most random shuffle possible as it prevents clumping."

In the second quote you are hitting stiff hands vs 5/6 because apparently, you think clumping is taking place.

The casinos would have the best defence there is. The machines offer the most random shuffle possible as it prevents clumping.

That above quote would not be a defense for casinos, it is admitting guilt, as you are saying that the machines are not random "prevents clumping". If they are in fact truly random there would be plenty of shoes with clumping taking place.

[conte543]

You just contradicted yourself. In the first above quote you say:
"

The machines offer the most random shuffle possible as it prevents clumping."

In the second quote you are hitting stiff hands vs 5/6 because apparently, you think clumping is taking place.

That above quote would not be a defense for casinos, it is admitting guilt, as you are saying that the machines are not random "prevents clumping". If they are in fact truly random there would be plenty of shoes with clumping taking place.

It isnt a contradiction when I say Both sides are right and wrong. I mean for the arguments sake The entire discussion here is an argument with 2 strong positions.

Hitting stiff hands vs 5/6 was not because i thought clumping was taking place. contrary I did it because I thought my small+10 will be followed by another small and thats what bothered the dealer.

"preventing clumping" is not cheating and the manufacturer will argue successfully that it is the best shuffling method. What makes you think your random definition is the best and the only one accepted legallY?

This type of discussion is gonna last a long time with strong arguments on both sides. Itll never see a court because no proof of cheating can be found. On the other hand you maybe right. the shuflers affect bs players because of increased busting (by a few percentages not a whole lot). counting will be also much harder as most counts are very close to neutral.

No doubt the electronic shuffling machines will be around for a long time. the only replacements I see will be electronic dealers like in roulette.

[BoSox]

"preventing clumping" is not cheating and the manufacturer will argue successfully that it is the best shuffling method. What makes you think your random definition is the best and the only one accepted legallY?

Preventing clumping would no longer be considered random period.