Can anyone explain this to me?

[Three]

RCJH, when you say the “the very best counters”, what do you mean by that? The math is the math. If someone is using Hilo and playing it perfectly, how are you able to detect differences between two people who use the same system.

Obviously you haven't learned what they teach you in the class.

I’ve heard these kind of comments before and never understood them.

Take the class. If you don't understand then, there is no hope for you.

If you’re referring to their skills on “getting away with it”

It's about discretion or judgement.

Anyone can do the math of counting and count perfectly. Knowing how to make money doing that in a casino is a different story. The casino isn't a simulator. You can't bounce right to results of having played 1 billion rounds. The sim uses averages for everything. A good casino player makes choices in a casino and choose to play better pen, faster dealers, dealers that help you win, avoid negative EV rounds as much as practical, and up the chances of finding positive EV shoes. A poor player plops down anywhere and ends up playing much the opposite, unless they get lucky by chance. The result is the poor player plays fewer rounds while playing more time. More important fewer high EV rounds and a higher percentage of negative EV rounds. The advantage per shoe is less for the poor player. The poor judgement of the poor casino player costs him constantly the entire time he is there. Plus his spread is getting exposed more due to needing to make a higher percentage of minimum bets. In a casino, there is your spread, and what they perceive your spread to be. A poor player would always be seen as using his total spread. This is not necessarily true for a good player. The big bets you make draw attention. But the small bets you make get you backed off after drawing that attention.

RCJH is saying you and a course graduate go into a casino and play for 4 hours. The course graduate would leave with a higher total EV from the judgements each of you made while in the casino for the same amount of time using the exact same system probably by playing less of the time, and/or getting in a lot more plus EV rounds while playing through a lot less negative EV rounds.

[Dbs6582]

Obviously you haven't learned what they teach you in the class.

Take the class. If you don't understand then, there is no hope for you.

It's about discretion or judgement.

Anyone can do the math of counting and count perfectly. Knowing how to make money doing that in a casino is a different story. The casino isn't a simulator. You can't bounce right to results of having played 1 billion rounds. The sim uses averages for everything. A good casino player makes choices in a casino and choose to play better pen, faster dealers, dealers that help you win, avoid negative EV rounds as much as practical, and up the chances of finding positive EV shoes. A poor player plops down anywhere and ends up playing much the opposite, unless they get lucky by chance. The result is the poor player plays fewer rounds while playing more time. More important fewer high EV rounds and a higher percentage of negative EV rounds. The advantage per shoe is less for the poor player. The poor judgement of the poor casino player costs him constantly the entire time he is there. Plus his spread is getting exposed more due to needing to make a higher percentage of minimum bets. In a casino, there is your spread, and what they perceive your spread to be. A poor player would always be seen as using his total spread. This is not necessarily true for a good player. The big bets you make draw attention. But the small bets you make get you backed off after drawing that attention.

RCJH is saying you and a course graduate go into a casino and play for 4 hours. The course graduate would leave with a higher total EV from the judgements each of you made while in the casino for the same amount of time using the exact same system probably by playing less of the time, and/or getting in a lot more plus EV rounds while playing through a lot less negative EV rounds.

Three, have you ever read a book on blackjack? I encourage you to pick one up...two good ones are BJA3 and Blackbelt in Blackjack. All the advice you gave in your post is in these two books. You can actually find it in almost any good blackjack book.

What we’re debating is do you need to spend $3,000 in a two day course to learn these things. We aren’t debating that you need to learn these things to be a good counter. As some have said in this thread, some do and some don’t. People who have difficulty learning through reading probably should take this course. People who are good readers don’t need to take this course. You appear to be a talented reader since you’ve learned all this stuff without taking the course. I haven’t taken the course and I’ve learned all this stuff too. That must mean I’m a good reader too. Lol.

I also believe in positive EV plays and I (along with several others here) don’t believe it’s a positive EV play to spend $3,000 to learn things that can be easily learned in a book, or through inexpensive software like Norm’s. Btw, I have Norm’s software too and use it to practice to make sure my game is perfect.

Have you read any of my posts? I know “how to get away with it.” I’ve been playing at my local casinos for 12 years and still haven’t got kicked out. Well, I got kicked out of two of them early on but then bought a bunch of blackjack books and “learned how to get away with it”. One of the keys is to rathole so the casinos don’t see you as a winner. I wonder if ratholing is taught in this course? That’s a special skill that many don’t know. It’s taught in several books.

One last comment. Do you know what’s taught by the BJA group? Please go back and listen to the Joe GWAE podcast. They don’t believe in using any playing or betting cover. Joe even splits 10. I don’t think what you mentioned in this post is advice given in the course. I could be wrong since I haven’t taken the course, but I know their basic philosophy when it comes to AP blackjack is to spread big with no cover and don’t fear backoffs...there’s always another casino to play at. Since I don’t want to travel long distances to play bj, I don’t adhere to this philosophy.