Assuming this was back in 1983 after adjusting for inflation today's cost would be about $1,252. It is still a long way from $3,000 and I think a five week course would cover more than a two day seminar.
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Assuming this was back in 1983 after adjusting for inflation today's cost would be about $1,252. It is still a long way from $3,000 and I think a five week course would cover more than a two day seminar.
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The supposition of my OP is not that of designating intellectual superiority over those who took the class.
Rather, it was the questioning of whether 3 K is "worth it", in the sense of utility relative to other methods of learning 21 AP'ing.
You are free to draw any conclusion, but assuming there is a malicious component is far-fetched.
Or, you have intimate knowledge associated with the program that you could provide. Would like to know what someone would get out of this.
Too many assumptions about the boot camps. Since most come to boot camp already knowing the basic HiLo count, a basic understanding of the game, it's not about teaching HiLo. Many gain information through forums, archives, reading books and having to find practice partners and such, it can take months or years.
It's like walking to a destination versus paying a cab or a link to take you to the same place. Some people believe it is less expensive and healthier to walk, others think taking a nice air conditioned can is preferable. You get there quicker and in more comfort.
RCJH, when you say the “the very best counters”, what do you mean by that? The math is the math. If someone is using Hilo and playing it perfectly, how are you able to detect differences between two people who use the same system. As you know, Hilo is not a complicated system. Most people who spend any time practicing it can play it perfectly, or very close to perfectly.
I’ve heard these kind of comments before and never understood them. No one would say someone can count 2+2 =4 better than someone else. But in the AP world two people doing the same math perfectly will get rated differently.
If you’re referring to their skills on “getting away with it” then that makes sense. Obviously, there is unique skill set involved in “getting away with it” that goes above counting and the math.
I agree. That’s what I said in my post. Did you read it? So what RCJH is saying is they have skills that go above counting? They have skills that allow them “to get away with it”. I just wanted to make sure that’s what he was referring to. It wasn’t clear from his post.
Freightman, it seems like you’ve gone back to your attack mode. Glad you got your mojo back. Lol. I missed your attacks and name calling when you went into hibernation mode for a while.
Then that means over 50% of the people on this thread are missing the nuances.
Freightman, have you spent any time reading the posts on this thread and seeing how they’re spilt almost down the middle? There’s a group, probably more in my camp, that see the Hilo system as being so easy that they’re suprised anybody would spend $3,000 learning Hilo in a two day course. On the other hand, there’s a group that believes some people need to spend $3,000 to learn Hilo because they aren’t good readers.
Obviously, other things are taught in this course and you get to network and meet Tommy Hiland which adds value to the course.
I don’t blame the BJA group for charging $3,000 for this course. If there are people willing to pay this amount, then they should charge this amount. As Bubbles has said, it’s supply vs demand. There’s a lot of demand for this course from this group (apparently there are a lot of poor readers out there, lol) so they’re able to charge a lot for it. It’s called capitalism, and the BJA group is stricking while the iron is hot. That’s called being good business people.
But the point is to execute Hilo and use I18 is not rocket science. This is basically what you learn in this course. Any legitimate bj book explains this system. It’s also on a lot of internet sites for free. Then all it takes is practice to do it to perfection.
Now learning how to “get away with it” is another matter. This is the real skill in being an AP. As you probably know, the BJA group doesn’t believe in cover or betting cover. Their main pro, Joe, says one of his goals is be backed off at all the casinos. He blasts away going from table min to table max and gets barred quickly. Is this the skill set people are learning in the bootcamp? If it is, I’ve already learned it listening to a GWAE podcast with Joe.
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