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Tarzan
This has been evaluated 18 different ways, from all angles. It's absolutely stupid for casinos to bar counters, use countermeasures, etc., as it results in a greater loss in the overall, the big picture for them. On the whole, they are making bank on card counters, since most are underfinanced, undertrained, and/or lack the ability to walk the fine line required to be a successful AP in the long haul. If you don't believe me, simply read enough comments in gambling and blackjack related forums to understand the mentality of the general public. For those few counters that are taking a steady dollar that is relatively meaningless for the casino, there are quite a few more counters at the bottom of the bell curve losing double that. There are many aspects of game protection that are critical but counters are not on this list. I recall James Grosjean bringing up the point on how it appears to not even be about greed, and more about "the principle of the thing". I think he worded it along the lines of the hustlers being pissed off about being hustled, something like that. They are much like an insurance company that prides itself in not paying claims and is willing to pay out $10,000 in attorneys fees to avoid paying a $1000 claim, to show they are an arrogant dickhead and to prove a pointless point, with this being their objective over any concerns about their bottom line. If I owned a casino, not only would it be player-friendly/counter-friendly, but I'd also be passing out some matchplays to anyone wearing their "Blackjack Army" t-shirt and ball cap, knowing I'm ultimately going to rake them through the coals for all it's worth!Hahaha
Tarzan, I like most of your posts, but I pretty much disagree with this one. I get that this is the mainstream AP view, but it doesn’t mean it’s correct. “The 18 different ways” this has been analyzed is by the same people who have an agenda...people who don’t want casinos to kick out advantage players.
Question: If what you’re saying is correct, why does Max Rubin backoff so many low level counters at Barons? Hasn’t he got the memo? As I’m sure you know, Max Rubin was an AP and he’s in the Blakcjack Hall of Fame, but now he works for the other side at Barona. This casino is one of the smartest and is known to backoff card counters quickly. I know some that have been backed off there.
I’ve made this point before, but I think it went over everybody’s head. When a marginal counter gets backed off (which is very rare), this makes him more valuable to the casinos since now he thinks he has the game to beat them. Backoffs don’t hurt revenue since these people just keep playing anyway. When has a backoff stopped someone from playing blackjack? That’s when my carreer started in earnest. I felt like I was now in the big leagues; I just needed to learn how “to get away with it”.
As as far as James Grosjean, I’ve read some of his articles and I don’t think he has clue. His articles have already been discussed at length on his forum so I won’t go into it here.
One last comment: When you say it’s “relatively meaningless” for a casino to lose money to a winning Counter, I can tell you don’t understand how a business thinks. Losing money in different ways is called leakage. No business, big or small, wants to have leakage; they all want to increase their profits and revenue. It doesn’t matter how much they are already making, they want to make more. This is true of all businesses, including casinos. Liberals call this greed. Most intelligent people call it smart business. It’s always surprised me how little APs understand business and how and why they operate.
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