DD game double only 10 and 11?

[dalmatian]

Is a DD game that allows only doubling on 10 and 11 worth my time and effort (penetration is all over the place some dealers give only 55% while others give up to 75%, bj 3:2, can split up to 4 times and DAS allowed, aces can be resplit up to 3 times, no surrender option)??? What is the approximate house advantage here?

I normally play a 6D shoe game with the same rules only penetration has to be at least 75% or I find a different dealer. The house advantage should be around 0.6%. The major difference I see is that in the shoe game I wong out at true count of -1 or less, whereas in the DD game I cannot wong in and out which puts me at a disadvantage (the degenerates threaten to strangle me for messing with the "sacred order of the cards"). Is the DD game better than the 6D shoe game or should I stick with 6D with wonging (DD is 3× the minimum of the 6D games I play!).

Thank you for any advice I work a lot and don't have access currently to CVCX so I can't run a simulation. I appreciate any opinion even if it's just nudging me in the right direction.

[Meistro123]

I could give you a fish, but instead, I will teach you to fish. Please refer to this calculator for questions on the house edge of atypical blackjack rules.

https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/calculator/

The best way to compare different counting opportunities is through the use of a high powered blackjack simulator like CVCX. Those rules look fine to me.

[ZeeBabar]

I often play such DD games if penetration is above 70% and two or less spots are being played. Its preferable to 6 deck game if tge later is 75% pen.

[Freightman]

I often play such DD games if penetration is above 70% and two or less spots are being played. Its preferable to 6 deck game if tge later is 75% pen.

It's a shitty game which can be mitigated by deep penetration. Lots of transgressions can be softened by deep pen. As Zee says, low table population is a plus. I'll also play centre cut heads up dd, with good rules.

[Meistro123]

Please note that 75% penetration on a double deck game is considerably better than 75% penetration on a six-deck game.

[Romes]

Please note that 75% penetration on a double deck game is considerably better than 75% penetration on a six-deck game.

Also please note the RULES of the game should not dictate if you play that game... other than more extreme cases such as 6:5, etc. If that 6D game had S17, surrender, etc, and the HE was .15%, but they watched it like a hawk and kicked you out for betting more than $20, would you play it?

Most DD games are "generally" sweatier than 6D games, HOWEVER I literally have found multiple casinos with DD games that had crappy rules (like yours) but for some reason they gave them literally zero attention... as in you could spread $25-$500 with no camo, just blatantly going with the count, wonging out whenever you wanted, and play for HOURS on end with no one caring to stop you. You need to take a look at every game with different thoughts on what's important:

1) Heat/Tolerance
2) Penetration
3) Side Bets
4) Speed
5) Rules/HE

...I've been posting that list way more often then I figured I would need to recently.

[SpikeBJ]

Tolerance

[refinery]

Toblerone

[SpikeBJ]

Trombone

[Romes]

Just wondering, how should I deal with the drug dealers, prostitutes, and such that make a scene when I wong out? I'm more concerned about them then the heat! For example, just a few times of stepping in and out draws criticism from the inner city crowd that unfortunately infests my casino. I guess ignoring them and carrying on but people have literally tried to fight me after my wonging "made them lose" their bets......

Over time you'll get tons and tons of excuses to "defuse" a ploppy over any situation. Mostly, you should just literally not care. 99% of the time if they get that upset they'll just leave the table, meaning your hands per hour just went up, or they'll get replaced by someone more polite (hopefully). But seriously you should have (or will learn) hundreds of excuses for sitting out. There's a few threads on this forum I believe where people shared their reasons for sitting out. Go pluck your favorite few from there and see how it goes =P.

"The table has been getting killed, we need to change up the flow, so I'm gonna sit out."
"I've lost too many in a row, my system says I should sit a few hands out."
"I need to make my money last longer than my wife at the slot machine! We have a last longer bet with each other, loser buys dinner! (everyone laughs)..."
"I gotta hit the bathroom, be back in a new shoe, I mean in a few!"
"Hey man, I'm just tryin' to play my money like everyone else..."

[stopgambling]

Another way is to try to be somewhat friendly and make them like you then you go wong out but with caution . It really depends on your image . Oh BTW the guy that look like bad guys are not really the real bad guys . It is the ones with suits and style . I once pissed a guy in suits and i was followed . just be careful wherever you are,not just in a casino.

[Romes]

Agree with befriending the table, 100%. Some players try to take the 'ghost' approach, but I do almost the opposite. I talk to everyone, root for them, etc. Then they root for me, etc... and when I want to sit out even if I see a slight bit of not happy about it on their face, it often times will keep them from even commenting though.

[Norm]

I rarely talk to other players (There are other players at the table?). Slows the game and frankly I'd rather they go away. Also, I don't want anyone asking (or giving) advice. There are advantages to chatting. But, I'm a speed freak.