H17 Spanish 21/Pontoon indices?

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Thankyou ZenMaster. Time to get practicing!

Quick question: will having 7 and 9 tagged (+1 and -1 respectively) in an SMC variant affect the indices much? I know their EORs are minimal, but I'm only counting them to help with PE.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"will having 7 and 9 tagged (+1 and -1 respectively) in an SMC variant affect the indices much? I know their EORs are minimal, but I'm only counting them to help with PE."

The E.O.R. of the 7 is approximately ZERO.
The E.O.R. of the 9 is of some importance.
I count 9's as half the value of a Face Card.

Oddly and counter-intuitively, in Span21,
the 8 has a STRONGER E.O.R. than the 9!
Counting the 8's will rendera count weak
for playing decisions, so we do not use it.

These side-counts are beyond superfluous
because the 7's and 8's are of some minor
importance to the playing of STIFF hands,
where the adjustments that I make are
keyed to the potential bonuses that are
intrinsically important to winning at Spanish21.

Of considerable importance is the extreme E.O.R.
of ACES in an S17 game, a la Eastern U.S.A. / Canada.

[Bushie]

The E.O.R. of the 7 is approximately ZERO.
The E.O.R. of the 9 is of some importance.
I count 9's as half the value of a Face Card.

Oddly and counter-intuitively, in Span21,
the 8 has a STRONGER E.O.R. than the 9!
Counting the 8's will rendera count weak
for playing decisions, so we do not use it.

These side-counts are beyond superfluous
because the 7's and 8's are of some minor
importance to the playing of STIFF hands,
where the adjustments that I make are
keyed to the potential bonuses that are
intrinsically important to winning at Spanish21.

Of considerable importance is the extreme E.O.R.
of ACES in an S17 game, a la Eastern U.S.A. / Canada.

Would a better approach be to tag 5 as +2 instead of 7 as +1, and keep 9 as -1 (I'm not that good with partial decimal counts)?

Yeah I've read about Aces in S17 games having crazy EOR, like -1.28 iirc. I only have H17 available to me (Pontoon) so the Ace EOR is a fair bit lower at -0.78. So I keep them tagged as -2 instead of -3.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"Would a better approach be to tag 5 as +2 instead of 7 as +1, and keep 9 as -1."

What makes the most (mathematical) sense
is to tag the fours and fives at +2 and sevens at 0
The E.O.R.of the SEVEN is virtually ZERO.

[Bushie]

What makes the most (mathematical) sense
is to tag the fours and fives at +2 and sevens at 0
The E.O.R.of the SEVEN is virtually ZERO.

I've seen that yeah. How would you make that a balanced count without attributing unnecessarily high EOR to the wrong cards though?

So:

2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 X A
+1 +1 +2 +2 +1 0 0 -1 -1 -2

What would you tag as another -1 to balance the extra +1 added to 4? -3 for the Ace in H17 is too much.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"What would you tag as another -1 to balance the extra +1 added to 4? -3 for the Ace in H17 is too much."

Reduce the Aces to ZERO and Side Count them, then the balance is very simple.

Aces are crucial in this game and failure to Side Count them is an egregious error.

If you do not want to Side Count Aces, the tag of -3 is fully correct

for the H17 game, and -5 is correct for the S17 games.

[Jabberwocky]

The best Spanish21 I can assemble is A,2 secondarily counted and 3 - 10 primarily counted.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

[quote=Bushie;223658]
"I only have H17 available to me (Pontoon) so the Ace EOR is a fair
bit lower at -0.78. So I keep them tagged as -2 instead of -3."[/quote]

Those E.O.R.'s are far far incorrect.

[Bushie]

[QUOTE=ZenMaster_Flash;223669]

"I only have H17 available to me (Pontoon) so the Ace EOR is a fair
bit lower at -0.78. So I keep them tagged as -2 instead of -3."[/quote]

Those E.O.R.'s are far far incorrect.

Have they changed?

I actually got them from your post #40 here:

https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...anish-21/page4