Ploppies who beat me

[Three]

Incidentally, the casinos that tend to be hardest to beat are the ones that offer what the OP has outlined as the game he is facing and feels he is being cheated. It should be the most profitable game if you can play with computer accuracy but what makes it so juicy is used to make your play far from computer accurate. All the juicy part does is add a ton of bad variance without much gain in EV like the sim says computer perfect play will have. Learn why you make what you do at some casinos and not at others that present the exact same thing and you won't be so quick to make these accusations.

I tried to get LoneWolf to understand but he would say he doesn't make any mistakes because he checks out on his computer to be perfect. He automatically eliminated why he was losing. The casino set up the juicy thing every counter is looking for in such a way that few can play and bet accurately so the part of the shoe that makes it such a juicy game is played very poorly. You get all these big bet opportunities and play and bet poorly. What do you think is going to happen? You check out on your practice program but the program is not what you face in the casino. Each casino uses different equipment. There are cards of very different thicknesses, different discard trays, discard trays that are set into or raised off of the table or anywhere in between, the discard trays have varying slopes for the bottom of the tray, and some dealers slam the shoe which keeps a constant tension on the cards from the rolling back block while other dealers rarely do that so the cards can even start falling out of the shoe because there is no pressure on them from the back block. You need quarter deck accuracy to bet and play strongly in the juicy part of the shoe but many fail to be close to half deck accuracy. Figure out why you can't match your computer play and you figure out why you win less at some casinos. The easy common sense thing is to play at the casinos you beat and don't play at the casinos you do poorly at until you figure out why and adjust to beat the casinos that you struggle at. Some , like Lonewolf, just keep going back more often to the casino they are struggling at. The lack of common sense is mind boggling.

[cc12b]

The only thing bad about ASMs is that they prevent shuffle tracking. Other than that, it's all good - They speed up the game, and a sloppy pile-lifter might give you a flash at the bottom card....

what is good if you know the bottom card? because it waaay behind the cut card, means it never in play except it was last Ace then you could double down when you have 11 without the fear of get the ace

[Three]

what is good if you know the bottom card? because it waaay behind the cut card, means it never in play except it was last Ace then you could double down when you have 11 without the fear of get the ace

He is talking about the bottom card as it comes out of the ASM before the player cuts. Knowing the location of any card can be very useful to a skilled player.

[cc12b]

Hand held games are far more likely to have a skilled mechanic cheating you.

I do not think the casinos would take the risk of fine when purposely hire the mechanic. But the higher risk to casinos is the mechanic would use his confederates to got the money from casinos as in case of Tran gang https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLqwBluZF8E

[Three]

I don't play in hand held gameland so I can't comment. But it is clearly easier and with far less chance to get caught. Every player I know that regularly plays hand held games say they have faced cheating mechanic dealers. There is variations in the dealing card noise on a second, strange deck movements when dealing a second, or odd finger movements. If you know what to look for and listen for dealing seconds is easily detected. However, most players are clueless. Many or maybe most AP's don't know how to detect when they are being dealt seconds. This is very disturbing and if you intend on attacking a handheld game you should know what to listen and look for.

[ZeeBabar]

Let's be logical. Casinos already have idiots throwing money at them like crazy. They are not competing against you. You are competing against yourself. Very few have the skill, patience, and discipline to survive. Let alone win. Those that do, they simply choose not to play against.

Trading places. Would you cheat? I just don't see the need.

Audi and Volkswagen were making good money, still decided to cheat. Greed has no limits.

[Three]

T3. If I see the bottom card is a Ace, then I know I will only have 3 left in that deck. Is that suppose to indicate something more?

If you see the bottom card before they are cut you watch where that card ends up after the cut. If it is cut out of play you start with that as your first card seen. If a skilled player sees where it is cut into play they can steer it to the dealer or themselves by adjusting things as it is about to hit the table.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

You can cut the Ace to the front.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"I never understood the advantage in dealing seconds unless deck is marked.
Highly unlikely. The skilled mechanics knows where the tens are located and
uses them to bust the player and not bust himself."

A skilled "mechanic" can "peek" at the top card.
If it is a high card, he can give it to him/herself
face up.

The dealer knows that you are more likely to hit
when the dealer displays a high card, and, having
dealt himself a low card down-facing; you will be
beating yourself by hitting against that Face Card
when you would have stood against that 5 or 6.

Just imagine what happens when the dealer "stiffs"
are all dealt with the High card face up.

[Three]

I never understood the advantage in dealing seconds unless deck is marked.

The hand movement is the dealer looking at the next 2 cards before he decides which to deal to you. If it is one he really wants guess when the card is coming out, or not once he sees his down card.

[Three]

So this means they could pick up an extra winning hand in a shoe? Provided they can track it over the course of 200+ cards?

There are people that have a huge advantage tracking specific cards or slugs through the shuffle. Think how easy it is for such a skilled person to track a card without shuffling.

[cc12b]

There are people that have a huge advantage tracking specific cards or slugs through the shuffle. Think how easy it is for such a skilled person to track a card without shuffling.

I doubt that anyone can steer the card precisely to specific spot. If one card off then it goes to next person and your brain can not do anything else at the mean time.

[Freightman]

I doubt that anyone can steer the card precisely to specific spot. If one card off then it goes to next person and your brain can not do anything else at the mean time.

I know a guy that can track specific cards to the card. I can track slugs of low, high or aces, but that's it. If you're within a card, spread to 2.