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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Watch out. Certain folk(s) here jump on you anytime you suggest cheating as a possibility. I believe the ASM can be programmed. Others suggest missing cards or dealer cheating.
    I highly suspect these PA casinos clumping ASM on demand. But Norm said we should trust the system. So I just stop playing at these casinos to have the peace of mind, no longer trying to solve a possible unsolvable puzzle.

    Also, this is not a good sample of size. I began to suspect they can program ASM about 15 months ago. But I changed my book keeping on my playing results to separate PA and non-PA casinos only about five months before I totally stopped going. While non-PA casinos results are basically the same compared to my long time results in the decades. I have slightly negative ev in PA casinos. And as I recall my playing, I always feel I often lose big bets when TC is super high. This includes good double gets small card a lot. A lot more than I will in other places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    I dont remember the last time i won a monster count in any of these stores. How can you possibly lose in every monster count you have played in at these stores?
    Of course. Your biggest ass kickings will come with a monster count. The dealer is as likely to get good cards as you are.
    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    My 3 biggest losses all time were at Harrahs.
    This indicates to me they probably have the best pen and/or the least amount of crowding. The formula for big losses is making a lot of big bets and losing.
    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    And Sands, well that is probably just because they offer an avg game, but i never win there either. I've had 2-3 SD losses at Harrahs but never a 2-3 SD win.
    Sounds like you need to fix something. Win and loss structure will have more to do with your style of exit than anything else. If you struggle to post a win rather than leaving and booking a loss then you will book more large losses. If you try to win big you will book fewer big wins. If you leave with a modest win you will book fewer big wins.
    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    With all the card counting documentaries and movies out there, you dont think any of these big stores will throw a wrench into it?
    No. Too much at stake to worry about cheating the clients. They will win and can take countermeasures against true threats so they choose to play elsewhere or are not allowed to play anymore at the casino. They don't need to cheat because they will win big without cheating. Maybe some little indian casino will cheat you but not the big boys. You are missing your chance to understand things better and get better results by falsely believing you have been cheated. Much more likely you are making mistakes or the way you try to exit the casino is skewing the visit's results.
    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    500 hours is enough and im only up 11k WELL below EV thanks to Sands and Harrahs only. My biggest downswings came at only these two stores. Something just feels completely bizarre there.
    Some of the best games have been the hardest to win money at for me. There are reasons for this. I won't go into them as this would give the casino methods to hurt us. Some of my honey holes have a blah game but I still regularly crush it.
    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    I highly suspect these PA casinos clumping ASM on demand. But Norm said we should trust the system. So I just stop playing at these casinos to have the peace of mind, no longer trying to solve a possible unsolvable puzzle.
    I always play the casinos I do well at a lot and those I struggle to beat rarely. Like I said some of the ones I struggle to beat have the best games in theory but if you really understand what drives your success and failure you see they are not so good.

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