Learning about side counts

[LoneWoLF]

I was referring to actual Index Adjustments, which vary from Zero to +/- 6

in a Level Two Count without Ace-Reckoning.

You were wondering, so I will say that the most extreme adjustment is for 9-9 vs. 7.

Irrelevant and obsolete. Hilo is all you need with all indices from -1 to as high as possible. If you're terrible or insecure with your deck estimations, KO is all you need. **FOR SHOE GAMES..

PITCH GAMES different story, side count until you bleed out of your eyes. Use AOII with as many indices as possible including more negative indices as you wont be able to wong into these games and it will look awkward if you keep wonging out as well so you have to keep playing through the negatives here and there.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

Irrelevant and obsolete. Hilo is all you need. If you're terrible or insecure
with your deck estimations, KO is all you need. **FOR SHOE GAMES."

I'll not fan the flames, but the statements above are completely false.

[Norm]

Irrelevant and obsolete.

So, I guess I should throw away Theory of Blackjack, nearly all of my library, and stop using RPC.

[Villiam]

Speaking of throw-aways guys, where's Boz?

Did his assessment of voodoo disadvantage play get nasty?

I certainly didn't see but one post and then he was gone again but it says he's still my friend...

[Norm]

Banned for trolling. It was a mistake giving him a second chance.

[Freightman]

Banned for trolling. It was a mistake giving him a second chance.

Maybe so, but He's dong an admirable job on ZZ site taking on the haters club. He's opposing the creepy guy and the nutcase Katz, giving both a run for their money.

[Freightman]

Is Mr. Saito the creepy guy? Last time I read Katz was calling out God. Words of advice to Boz...do not stand next to this guy if it's cloudy.

Who the fuck knows. There's some disgusting filth over there being defended under the guise if free Speech. Real whackos and nut jobs. Boz Seems to be in his element very credibly opposing the creepy guy and the real whacko - Katz. Even the creepy guy suggested Boz post elsewhere, which I think is a feather in Biz's cap.

I suppose the idiot who put an unhelpful to me on post 163 will do the same here - a further fallacy of the rating system.

[LoneWoLF]

So, I guess I should throw away Theory of Blackjack, nearly all of my library, and stop using RPC.

Well in the case of those who already mastered their higher level counts, no need to switch, but those who are just starting off; HiLo and KO is all you need for today's modern games. In the case of your library, yes it's pretty much worthless now a days. Still good learning material to understand the essence of the game and the ones who can still find great pitch games with no heat. But back to reality, there are not many left and those that are left are high heat and it will be tough to get in hours and it will also severely shorten your blackjack career by playing these games. Also cover strategy and betting strategy wont buy you much time in pitch games, you will get the hammer quickly once you hammer them enough times. Best cover for pitch and shoe games will be short sessions. You would also need to travel A LOT like kevin blackwood did, to find the good enough worthwhile pitch games. Just not worth it at the end of the day. The money to be made today are in shoe games and because of that, ace neutral strategies are obsolete.

Let me also make this clear once again; when i say ace neutral strategies are obsolete, im ONLY saying that because the majority of games that are prevalent in today's game are SHOE games. If it was still the 70s and 80s, of course you would play with an ace neutral strategy and even a side count of 7s as well. Another reason why it's obsolete TODAY, is because it will severely shorten your longevity if you play these games. Pitch games are very closely watched and casinos aren't oblivious to counting. There's been so many books and documentaries on card counting that no one is caught by surprise anymore.

The way to make money these days is avoiding pitch games due to high heat, switching to an ace reckoned count preferably a level 1 count, playing strictly shoe games, counting two tables when the opportunity presents itself, staying within most casino tolerance levels (no more than 2x250 or 2x300), and last but not least moving to an area with a load of casinos in a nearby radius and playing no more than 1 hour sessions and always switching up the shifts; ie. Vegas. This will drastically increase your longevity and your ability to grind out a nice living. But with all that said, the VERY BEST way to make money these days is by team play. If somehow you're lucky enough to form a team and find honest and trustworthy people and have a nice sizable bankroll, nothing out there can beat that approach. Still very hard to detect and coupled with a nice rotation of stores, short sessions, and switching up of the shifts you play; you can make a killing. All of the above beats trying to play pitch games with tons of side counts or even worse playing shoe games with side counts. PLAIN AND SIMPLE, END OF STORY.

[Stealth]

Well in the case of those who already mastered their higher level counts, no need to switch, but those who are just starting off; HiLo and KO is all you need for today's modern games. In the case of your library, yes it's pretty much worthless now a days. Still good learning material to understand the essence of the game and the ones who can still find great pitch games with no heat. But back to reality, there are not many left and those that are left are high heat and it will be tough to get in hours and it will also severely shorten your blackjack career by playing these games. Also cover strategy and betting strategy wont buy you much time in pitch games, you will get the hammer quickly once you hammer them enough times. Best cover for pitch and shoe games will be short sessions. You would also need to travel A LOT like kevin blackwood did, to find the good enough worthwhile pitch games. Just not worth it at the end of the day. The money to be made today are in shoe games and because of that, ace neutral strategies are obsolete.

Let me also make this clear once again; when i say ace neutral strategies are obsolete, im ONLY saying that because the majority of games that are prevalent in today's game are SHOE games. If it was still the 70s and 80s, of course you would play with an ace neutral strategy and even a side count of 7s as well. Another reason why it's obsolete TODAY, is because it will severely shorten your longevity if you play these games. Pitch games are very closely watched and casinos aren't oblivious to counting. There's been so many books and documentaries on card counting that no one is caught by surprise anymore.

The way to make money these days is avoiding pitch games due to high heat, switching to an ace reckoned count preferably a level 1 count, playing strictly shoe games, counting two tables when the opportunity presents itself, staying within most casino tolerance levels (no more than 2x250 or 2x300), and last but not least moving to an area with a load of casinos in a nearby radius and playing no more than 1 hour sessions and always switching up the shifts; ie. Vegas. This will drastically increase your longevity and your ability to grind out a nice living. But with all that said, the VERY BEST way to make money these days is by team play. If somehow you're lucky enough to form a team and find honest and trustworthy people and have a nice sizable bankroll, nothing out there can beat that approach. Still very hard to detect and coupled with a nice rotation of stores, short sessions, and switching up of the shifts you play; you can make a killing. All of the above beats trying to play pitch games with tons of side counts or even worse playing shoe games with side counts. PLAIN AND SIMPLE, END OF STORY.

Then I suggest you form a team. It can be done.

[Eye of the Eagle]

Who the fuck knows. There's some disgusting filth over there being defended under the guise if free Speech. Real whackos and nut jobs. Boz Seems to be in his element very credibly opposing the creepy guy and the real whacko - Katz. Even the creepy guy suggested Boz post elsewhere, which I think is a feather in Biz's cap.

I suppose the idiot who put an unhelpful to me on post 163 will do the same here - a further fallacy of the rating system.

Boz was just a troll living in his mothers basement. He spent to much time on useless arguments. If you can not see this you can't reason rationally. By the way what is wrong with the rating system. Why would you even care. You are never going to meet any of this people in real life. This is the internet you can be anybody you want to be. Be sure to mark this post as you see fit.

[LoneWoLF]

Then I suggest you form a team. It can be done.

Harder than one thinks. I know you've been successful, but i've had trouble finding people dedicated and willing enough to learn. Also it takes an incredible amount of trust that no one is stealing and that people are truthful with their results when an inevitable downswing hits the team.

[Freightman]

Boz was just a troll living in his mothers basement. He spent to much time on useless arguments. If you can not see this you can't reason rationally. By the way what is wrong with the rating system. Why would you even care. You are never going to meet any of this people in real life. This is the internet you can be anybody you want to be. Be sure to mark this post as you see fit.

Whatever Boz is or is not is if no relavence. What is relavent to the issue, are his credible rebutments to some sickofucks on a demented hate site. Judging by a review of your general posts, Perhaps you would feel more at home there. Your commentary here is of no value and construed, at least by me, as useless.

As far as the rating system goes, regardless if its weaknesses, it is further degraded by pettiness such as yours.

[Eye of the Eagle]

Whatever Boz is or is not is if no relavence. What is relavent to the issue, are his credible rebutments to some sickofucks on a demented hate site. Judging by a review of your general posts, Perhaps you would feel more at home there. Your commentary here is of no value and construed, at least by me, as useless.

As far as the rating system goes, regardless if its weaknesses, it is further degraded by pettiness such as yours.

I am sure Boz is missing you. Pay him a visit or wait until he comes back as a ghost.