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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    Yea please go ahead and tell us how much you make annually from blackjack. Oh wait we can't verify that either.
    Do NOT ask questions like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    Why do you use BO's in its plural sense. I got backed off only this one time in a long time. Sorry but when you live 1.5 hours from casinos, it's either long sessions or destroying your car going back and forth just to play 2 shoes win some money and leave is just not worth it to me.
    I know you have been BO at least twice. It isn't about not winning much it is about winning too much or betting too much for their tolerance thresholds. You were advised about tolerance thresholds and both bet enough (top bet) to be a constant blip on their radar and went above the daily win threshold point. You made sure they took a real close look at you while you were strictly back counting or mostly back counting. I told you it was coming based on what you told me you had just done. It took an extra visit or two but you got the almost certain BO as expected.

    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    The best cover is short sessions, not trying to fool the boss. Because like you said they will eventually get you anyway if you keep winning, and if you play rated they will get you for lifetime win.
    So now after saying you don't doubt me, you are a doubter or at least a mud slinger. I see where we stand.

    Yeah, but at that store the lifetime win BO should be 6 figures. I told you how to disguise your spread so you could get away with more. Also not playing rated is a big red flag. You give up valuable comps to be looked at closer and get a BO quicker and then they still know your name based on the license plate recognition. Now your car will flag you every place in the area.

    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    The best cover is short sessions, not trying to fool the boss.
    I am not sure I would call that cover. Good cover is doing things no AP would do. Short sessions is what most AP's do. What you accomplish with short sessions is you are tolerable not get them to think you aren't a counter.

    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    So you don't even know what you're doing because limiting your wins is not something you can always control either, since you might get hot in one shoe and kill it.
    Yes, that is often a problem. I am not walking away from a monster count no matter how much I have won.

    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    At the end of the day if the casino starts to recognize you and starts to notice a pattern of you winning a lot and a couple of big wins here and there that you cant control because you basically killed the shoe, you're gonna get tossed eventually.
    That is not true for everyone. It depends on a lot of factors. The first is how much they like having you in the casino. From your posts I believe they would be quick to act against you because you don't show the staff respect.

    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    The best way to mitigate all of that is short sessions, but right now living at home and traveling 1.5 hours to play, short sessions isn't in my gameplan, just isnt convenient for me.
    You have at least 3 playable casinos near you. You play at the closest, then go to the next and then the third. If time permits and you haven't won too much at the one or both of the other casinos you hit them on the way back. Odds are you won't have enough time in the day to finish that rotation. If you do you probably have won the win threshold quickly and went along to the next place.

    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    Also once again you bring up the choice of count LOL. You honestly think that using a level 3 count such as Halves instead of a level 1 count is going to fool the eye?
    Certainly going ace neutral rather than level 3 is much more useful to keep people in doubt but it will help.

    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    Don't you realize almost every single count out there all move their bets within the very same time?
    This is not true. The strongest counts identify advantages the weakest ones don't and see disadvantage where the weaker ones see advantage. I played Hiopt2 at the same table as a Hilo counter and we bet quite differently most of the time. I played next to a level 3 count user and we identified the same advantage runs but he raised his bet before I did and was lowering it while I saw advantage still increasing. I think this quoted statement might be the biggest red herring of all the misinformation that is spewed as rhetoric.
    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    Ace neutral counts would not because you might get a surplus of aces time and time again and you immediately move to a close to max bet.
    What does that tell you about what counts you should be considering if you want to not look like what they are expecting from a counter.

    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    You wont be betting like all ace reckoned players, but casinos will also start to become very leery about it and might think you're sequencing/key carding. So regardless, choice of count doesn't help you one bit and they either all correlate very much the same when its time to jump into a shoe or it will make them very cautious about why you just rose to maximum bet.
    This is just very wrong. If this is your experience either you don't understanding what you are doing that is drawing heat or you haven't played craftily enough.
    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    Yea please go ahead and tell us how much you make annually from blackjack. Oh wait we can't verify that either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eye of the Eagle View Post
    How about this question. Over 13 years playing BJ I have made $150,000. Lets say I play a average of about 500 hours a year. We will round it off for math purposes. I play mostly 6d S17 DAS 80% pen $25 min or $50 min with a 1/8 spread. I have used the counts Hi-LO, Kiss3, UBZ. How much more would I have made using your count?
    Nothing because you won't be using my count. I have been asked not to talk about my count because it is not useful to the forum. I only told of the techniques and few if any understood what I was doing. Talking about an unknown count that is so different from the traditional count just has no use to others. I only talked about it to inspire others to think outside the box and open their mind to a different way of using information. I think I may have had limited success with the former but feel I have all but almost totally failed in the latter. Let's talk about systems that are available to you. There is nothing to be gained talking about systems you couldn't use even if you wanted to.

    Please everyone, no more questions about my count.

    If you are interested search my archived posts. You will see how unproductive the discussion is to the forum and get an idea of what my system is about. I have discussed it enough. You may need to subscribe to read most of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    Nothing because you won't be using my count. I have been asked not to talk about my count because it is not useful to the forum. I only told of the techniques and few if any understood what I was doing. Talking about an unknown count that is so different from the traditional count just has no use to others. I only talked about it to inspire others to think outside the box and open their mind to a different way of using information. I think I may have had limited success with the former but feel I have all but almost totally failed in the latter. Let's talk about systems that are available to you. There is nothing to be gained talking about systems you couldn't use even if you wanted to.

    Please everyone, no more questions about my count.

    If you are interested search my archived posts. You will see how unproductive the discussion is to the forum and get an idea of what my system is about. I have discussed it enough. You may need to subscribe to read most of them.
    I am not interested in learning your count. I am just interested in seeing how much I left on the table if I had this count available to me. How much more would it add to my bottom line from + $150,000. Would it be a extra 5 or 10 grand? I would like to see if it is worth the mental gymnastics. A simple sim should give you the answer. I gave you the conditions and number of hours per year. Simple question how much would you have made playing under these conditions using your count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eye of the Eagle View Post
    A simple sim should give you the answer.
    This is hardly a simple sim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    This is hardly a simple sim.
    Why? I can give him all the information he needs. Maybe the count can not be simed. Is that what you are referring to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    Don't let this stuff get in your head. It's hard to get it back out. You are fine. If the idea is to get T3, ain't gonna happen.
    It is not in my head. I am just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eye of the Eagle View Post
    Why? I can give him all the information he needs. Maybe the count can not be simed. Is that what you are referring to.
    Of course it can be simmed. But, it is a non-standard methodology. It would require specialized software. It doesn't sound like you understand the complexity of simulation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eye of the Eagle View Post
    Why? I can give him all the information he needs. Maybe the count can not be simed. Is that what you are referring to.
    If you are referring to my count. I only know of 1 simulator on the planet that can sim it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    If you are referring to my count. I only know of 1 simulator on the planet that can sim it.
    And where is it or is just you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    Well, let's put it this way. If you employed a 3 column count or Tarzan count and limited yourself to straight up DD play in LV, I'm quite certain you would make far more than $150k in far less than 13 years. Your main issue would soon be being allowed to play.
    I don't play on computers. I like to play for real money. I rarely see any double deck. I guess I will be happy pecking away at them 6 deck shoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Of course it can be simmed. But, it is a non-standard methodology. It would require specialized software. It doesn't sound like you understand the complexity of simulation.
    So if it is not simmed then there is no proof that a super duper count is worth the time and effort. Can we assume that? Or do we just take the other persons word that it works without any proof?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eye of the Eagle View Post
    And where is it or is just you?
    To my knowledge, there are only a few sufficiently talented math/stats/computer folk who could generate a sim for T3 or Tarzan counting methods, including 3-4 that periodically post on this site. I suspect that 1 has aided T3, but I believe that person should be accorded privacy, unless and until (if ever) such time as she/he discloses simulating T3's counting system.

    In no way do I believe that T3 should, nor that he has any right to disclose/confirm any sims having actually been performed by that person. Consequently, I believe it is in everyone's interest that T3 just cease from publicly discussing the merits of his approach, for his own benefit, others on this site, and especially for the privacy of whoever may have simmed the T3 Count.

    Undoubtedly, T3 must have a network of AP friends and acquaintances with whom he can continue to privately discuss his approach to blackjack and its variants.
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