Double Down card face down

[Ryemo]

AP's play at his table a lot because he does a lot of ploppy stuff so they don't think he could possibly be an AP. Not doubling 11vT is a prime example of a move that only dummies that don't even know BS would do. Just think of how many more things he refuses to do right even though he knows better.

I've been to the casino that Zee used to frequent and I refuse to play in that chain now. I once played a related property 2.5 hrs outside of St Louis and ONLY played one shoe (and lost btw). They flyered me ALL THE WAY back to St Louis LOL. This information was confirmed by a friend that works at one of the casinos that received the flyer. All of the properties related to that chain are complete dumps!

[BJGenius007]

It is a HUGELY significant error; and he plays often,
as he is an implied / admitted pathological gambler.

It is not an error on H17 game. Since most games are H17 these days, he will be more right than wrong.

[Ryemo]

It is not an error on H17 game. Since most games are H17 these days, he will be more right than wrong.

I think you're confusing 11vA in a S17 game... Not 11vT. Doublling 11vA is the correct play in a H17 (11vA in S17 is just a hit) . We're talking about 11vT. Double down in a H17 and S17 game...

And you double 11vA in both S17 and H17 in DD. The variation referenced above is for 6D+.

Check your strategy again

[BJGenius007]

I think you're confusing 11vA in a S17 game... Not 11vT. Doublling 11vA is the correct play in a H17 (11vA in S17 is just a hit) . We're talking about 11vT. Double down in a H17 and S17 game...

And you double 11vA in both S17 and H17 in DD. The variation referenced above is for 6D+.

Check your strategy again

I was replying to ZenM, he was talking about 11 v A. I said double 11 v A on H17 shoe game is correct. Nothing to do with 11 v T. You are confused.

[Ryemo]

I was replying to ZenM, he was talking about 11 v A. I said double 11 v A on H17 shoe game is correct. Nothing to do with 11 v T. You are confused.

No. Your are. Re-read the previous posts:

But if he's refusing 11 v 10 in higher counts is that not a pretty significant edge? And I'm assuming he plays often as he's retired.

ZMF's respone to that was:

It is a HUGELY significant error; and he plays often,
as he is an implied / admitted pathological gambler.

Your response to ZMF was:

It is not an error on H17 game. Since most games are H17 these days, he will be more right than wrong.

So my response to that comment was:

I think you're confusing 11vA in a S17 game... Not 11vT. Doublling 11vA is the correct play in a H17 (11vA in S17 is just a hit) . We're talking about 11vT. Double down in a H17 and S17 game...

And you double 11vA in both S17 and H17 in DD. The variation referenced above is for 6D+.

Check your strategy again

You see? I think it is you that is confused.

[BJGenius007]

No. Your are. Re-read the previous posts:



ZMF's respone to that was:



Your response to ZMF was:



So my response to that comment was:



You see? I think it is you that is confused.

You are confused. My response is to ZenF's last post only. Nothing to do with Villiam's post which I know is about 11 v T.

[Villiam]

Ryemo is saying that ZMF was responding specifically in reference to my post, which was a post about Zeebar or associate refusing to double 11 v 10. There had previously been little kurfuckles about it not being a hard and fast rule to always double 11 based on TC and game rules...

[MJGolf]

Ahh c'mon guys............

It is BS in both S17 and H17 to double 11 v. T (and I mean Basic Strategy v. Bullsh*t)

Ref Don's treatise at page 420 and page 452. For every combination of 11 there is you double. Double Deck or Multi-Deck

Wong's Indexes says Double both situations until -4 index (Hi/Lo)

Are we REALLY arguing about this or is it just a possible typo on one of posts...............LOL

[Villiam]

There are risk averse indexes for 11 v 10 and 11 v A
Pretty sure S17 is +1 for 11 v A
...and -2 for 10 v 9

Not sure what we are arguing over actually...

[ZeeBabar]

AP's play at his table a lot because he does a lot of ploppy stuff so they don't think he could possibly be an AP. Not doubling 11vT is a prime example of a move that only dummies that don't even know BS would do. Just think of how many more things he refuses to do right even though he knows better.

never said I DO NOT double on 10, I said the ploppies see a face up card DD card that is a loser and start commenting shit like "I would not double on a 10" or if you double on a soft 17 against a 9 or 10 and get a 10, and they start mumbling or discussing your decision. You shut that up when you ask for a face down.

I never ask it face down when sitting at 3rd base, might do so on other seats depends upon others at the table. I could not care less how not seeing my card might affect them.

[ZeeBabar]

AP's play at his table a lot because he does a lot of ploppy stuff so they don't think he could possibly be an AP. Not doubling 11vT is a prime example of a move that only dummies that don't even know BS would do. Just think of how many more things he refuses to do right even though he knows better.

Tthree, not you too. Find any quotes I made where I said I don't bobble on an 11 vs T along with the date it was posted. I did not say it. Ryemo says I do not double on a 10, again a selected piece where he cut out the rest.I never said I DO NOT double on 10, I said the ploppies see a face up card DD card that is a loser and start commenting shit like "I would not double on a 10" or if you double on a soft 17 against a 9 or 10 and get a 10, and they start mumbling or discussing your decision. You shut that up when you ask for a face down.

I never ask it face down when sitting at 3rd base, never while playing heads us or with a person I respect. I might do so on other seats depends upon others at the table. I could not care less how not seeing my card might affect them.

[Freightman]

never said I DO NOT double on 10,.

Check your post #3.

[Three]

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One reason to ask for a face down is to piss off any AP at the table. Another is to avoid the comments or the sympathetic looks or the ridicule you get when, say you double an 11 against a 10 and get an Ace, (I never double against a ten) so having it face down kills all that. A player is not at a table to help you win, he is in for his own.

This would be the post that gave everyone that idea about your play. I hope you can see how the post is a bit ambiguous.