Not sure it would be insignificant. 11 v 10 happens often. Also, thanks for the note, and yeah I knew this. But if he's refusing 11 v 10 in higher counts is that not a pretty significant edge? And I'm assuming he plays often as he's retired.Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash
Your point is well-made and taken though. I should have said double all 11s v 10 at TC 0 in H17 an TC1 on S17, basically double when you are positive and track your results. I'm pretty sure after a week he'd have a statistically significant edge to report. It would probably be too much to remember though , which is why I suggested he flat bet while doing it. I was not being facetious.
True story: I was playing in Missouri and I was sitting at first base with one other player at third. The dealer would always deal the double down card face down. I never commented on it. The guy at third base, , kept asking to see my face down card. The dealer would show him and not me. Again, I never commented either way Next thing you know they tell him he has been flat bet. Lol
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Never bother to ask ,don't show any interest . I am there to profit not to pass/show knowledge and in turn put my profit down the drain. I do not bother debating ,reasoning with dealers ,pit,ploppies with anything about the game. if it is a shitty condition ,i just say goodbye . i must admit sometimes it is hard to do .
Cut the crap. I never said a ploppy requests a face down double down card to piss an AP off. I might do it to piss off an AP who tries to get in on the table I am playing at.
the OP asked why anyone would ask for a face down DD card and I offered my opinion. You must have had a bad day so you have to take it out on my post.
Who is a troll? The guy who responds directly to an OP's question or one who posts stuff that has nothing to do with the OP's question, who tries to smear me for stating an opinion. If I am a troll, you are an AP who is having difficulties masturbating so you try to f$&@ someone on an online forum.
you think Norm needs advice from you to ban me or something?
Aw, man. Zee, I want you to keep in mind that most on here are either trying to help or are not trying to tear everything you say down. I'm sorry if I misread what you said but I just responded that whoever refuses to double 11 v 10 is losing money quickly and long term even more.
But beyond that, just let the people who feel the need to personally attack out of some weird to loyalty to all things AP or whatever lie. I didn't really agree with your point. That said, that could honestly be to some extent that I haven't had experience with it. I just assume ignorance before malice usually with the ploppies. As far as AP vs AP, I kind of don't believe in that, although I know others have talked extensively about what tactics of disruption they employ in those situations to "own the table". So anyway, you always have something however slight to offer and just don't worry about the personal attacks because they don't matter. In fact, the last one someone made on you, you were defended by a veteran on multiple points you made even though he doesn't typically defend you. So just remember that. Keep the people that care close and listen and learn.. Keep the buggers off your back (mind).
from Ryemo.."In attempt to not derail this tread too much, I'll make this my last comment on the matter. Zee has been offered guidance by many experienced APs for years and still has not shown any effort to improve his game, which is completely fine! His lack of effort has absolutely no affect on me or anyone else. My irritation stems from his ridiculous comments/advice towards newer or inexperienced posters. Newer members might look at these posts and think that Zee's logic is sound common knowledge, which isn't the case majority of the time."
Why the hell are you posting about me on a thread and at the same time saying you do not want to derail the thread? Is there a thread somewhere asking about my progress as an AP and you find the need to explain me?
What Zee's logic is sound common knowledge but is not the case majority of the time? No specifics?
Ryemo, if you want to start a thread about Zee, please have the courage to do so but don't be a coward, make accusations on a thread that has nothing to do with Zee, using innuendos and avoiding specfcs? Are you an addict getting defensive?
If that card makes a difference in an index play the play is a coin flip with little to no difference in EV. You might as well just use basic strategy on those decisions. The cost is minimal and deviations from BS can generate heat. I doubt that one play will but in aggregate in sweaty places deviations are part of a checklist to spot AP's.
Cool. Here's my mine; your opion sucked.
My day was actually ok.
Not sure how to respond to this. So I won't. But I will say that it made me lol. Thanks
Never said anything like that. Didn't even suggest it.
Had a hard time understanding this question... but my comment was in response to the fact that you still fail to follow basic strategy:: Is that specific enough?
No. Far from it. Do I sound like I'm getting defensive? Only one of us is getting deffensive. I'll give you a hint... it isn't me.
Because you made a post that I don't agree with/understand. After all this time, you still fail to follow through with basic strategy and you think a reason to request the double down dealt face down is to piss of other AP's...
How often are you at the table with other AP's? How many of them do you piss off (not including the forums)? How does this apply to what the OP was asking? If I had to guess, I bet you request the double down card to be dealt down. Just a guess though.
Hope this answers your questions.
AP's play at his table a lot because he does a lot of ploppy stuff so they don't think he could possibly be an AP. Not doubling 11vT is a prime example of a move that only dummies that don't even know BS would do. Just think of how many more things he refuses to do right even though he knows better.
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