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    Lowest house edge I can get is .26%?

    I've read that the lowest house edge playing perfect strategy = .26%. Is this true? Is this only counting the win%, does this count the black jacks?

    If I do not choose to split hands,no double downs or take insurances how much does this effect the house edge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwing41 View Post
    I've read that the lowest house edge playing perfect strategy = .26%. Is this true? Is this only counting the win%, does this count the black jacks?

    If I do not choose to split hands,no double downs or take insurances how much does this effect the house edge?
    .26 HE with good pen is a dream, and is easily beatable - why on earth would you even consider sub optimal play.

    Your play deviation will change a great game into a piece of shit.
    Last edited by Freightman; 06-04-2016 at 03:22 PM. Reason: To add another line

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    .26 HE with good pen is a dream, and is easily beatable - why on earth would you even consider sub optimal play.

    Your play deviation will change a great game into a piece of shit.
    Are you suggesting it is possible to beat .26 HE without counting cards?

    Im curious as to how much % drop off its is when you take out doubling and splitting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwing41 View Post
    "Are you suggesting it is possible to beat .26 HE without counting cards?"
    NO ! Of course not.

    Nobody is going to answer your rather (off-beat)

    question until you explain what motivates it?


    It makes no (logical) sense to any of us.

    Incidentally, where did you read about 0.26%



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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    NO ! Of course not.

    Nobody is going to answer your rather (off-beat)

    question until you explain what motivates it?


    It makes no (logical) sense to any of us.

    Incidentally, where did you read about 0.26%


    My money is on he's that unfriendly chain-smoking pit boss at the Big Horn acting coy. They can't afford actual mathematicians, so he's come here to find out if they have the lowest edge in town and if another bizarre rule addition could hurt them. Just a theory. I suggest we play along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz View Post
    My money is on he's that unfriendly chain-smoking pit boss at the Big Horn acting coy. They can't afford actual mathematicians, so he's come here to find out if they have the lowest edge in town and if another bizarre rule addition could hurt them. Just a theory. I suggest we play along.
    How did you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    NO ! Of course not.

    Nobody is going to answer your rather (off-beat)

    question until you explain what motivates it?


    It makes no (logical) sense to any of us.

    Incidentally, where did you read about 0.26%


    Im wondering if there is any benefit to switching over to BJ. I know with bj you get +EV counting cards where I think its less likely in baccarat. I cant imagine anyone on this forum not counting cards? Otherwise you are always - EV. Unless that is taboo for black jack players to admit this?

    I read it from another forum, they were saying .26. I assume they are reffering to a 6 deck or more game?

    Can you describe what LS is? Why does using one or two decks give better results then 6 decks when you have the same ratio of cards.
    Last edited by Redwing41; 06-04-2016 at 05:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwing41 View Post
    Im wondering if there is any benefit to switching over to BJ. I know with bj you get +EV counting cards where I think its less likely in baccarat. I cant imagine anyone on this forum not counting cards? Otherwise you are always - EV. Unless that is taboo for black jack players to admit this?

    I read it from another forum, they were saying .26. I assume they are reffering to a 6 deck or more game?

    Can you describe what LS is? Why does using one or two decks give better results then 6 decks when you have the same ratio of cards.
    There's no point in counting cards in baccarat. Memorizing basic strategy and playing blackjack is the smartest thing any casino player could do, aside from never entering a casino.

    Almost everyone on the forum knows how to count cards. Check the disadvantage forum for other ideas. We don't talk about counting while playing in the casino.

    Your .26% house edge was probably talking about a particular game at a particular casino. 6D is just a rule, and there many rule combinations.

    LS is late surrender. You forfeit half of your bet and keep the other half. You do not play your hand.

    Two decks is better because there are more stiff hands, more successful doubles, and more blackjacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwing41 View Post
    Are you suggesting it is possible to beat .26 HE without counting cards? ....
    ANY game can be 'beaten' w/lo counting cards in the short run....i'm sure most here have witnessed plops (aka, non-APs) win tens of thousands of dollars while we muddle through negative counts betting table min

    btw, not all WV table games are closed....Mountaineer still operates 6 and 8d games S17 games....no surrender, though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwing41 View Post
    I've read that the lowest house edge playing perfect strategy = .26%. Is this true? Is this only counting the win%, does this count the black jacks?

    If I do not choose to split hands,no double downs or take insurances how much does this effect the house edge?
    The question doesn't even make sense because each casino employs a different set of rule combinations, although that is about the lowest edge I have ever played after accounting for the cut card effect. Um, of course it counts blackjacks--the game is called Blackjack. Not taking insurance IS basic strategy, it doesn't affect the house edge. Never taking doubles and splits is another question that makes no sense--it's safe to say that baccarat would be a better game under those conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwing41 View Post
    "the lowest house edge playing perfect strategy = .26%. Is this true?"
    Not even close, unless you are restricting your discussion to shoe games.

    The Double Deck game with S17 DAS has a House Edge of 0.19%

    Adding LS ~ reduces the House Edge to a lovely 0.14%

    Single deck H17 is 0.18%

    Foregoing Doubles and Splits makes all BJ games too unplayable to discuss.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post


    Single deck H17 is 0.18%

    As far as I knew, the Cortez is the only one who offers such game; since they don't use a CSM, that's not the house edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz View Post
    " ... Cortez is the only one who offers such game ..."
    You forgot about all of the casinos in West Wendover.

    What does a CSM have to do with the House Edge,

    especially in a Single Deck game with full-pay BJ's ?

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