CV has both S17 and H17. However, I just looked at two editions of ProBJ, and there are a lot of differences.
I also dont understand why Wong has a separate surrneder table in the book and then has different usrrender indices in Appendix. Table 33 Surrender indices are slightly different than appendix!! I think I should probably just use appendix, as table 33 seems to be a hybrid between hi lo and halves!! I now understand where you got the numbers from! You used the appendix and not the surrender table on table 33! that makes it clear for the surrender indices at least!
Last edited by RoadWarrior; 04-28-2016 at 10:57 AM.
You're gonna drive yourself nuts with this. There are differences in published indexes all over the place and then if you run CVData sims for your specific game and counting method, you'll get more differences....
The point is that they should all be are pretty close. So my advice - try to embrace the bigger picture and do some meaningful and practical grouping of indexes that are in the top 50 category. You'll reap 95% of the value and retain your sanity by not chasing the last 5% or so...
I too am a little confused by some indices.
I see Norm’s cvdata online index viewer for double down on 8 v 6 is TC >= 2:
https://www.card-counting.com/cvcxonlineviewer3.htm
Wong’s index in professional blackjack is double down on 8 v 6 TC >= 1
Other differences include:
Double down 8 v 5 Wong: 3 Norm: 4
Double down 8 v 4 Wong: 5 Norm: 6
Hard hit 16 v 9 Wong: 5 Norm:4
Hard hit 12 v 6 Wong:0 Norm:-1
The 12 v 6 index of 0 surprised me the most
The cvdata calculations there are for S17 6D DAS LS, and the site mentions it’s using half deck estimations and flooring.
Wong’s book mentions indices were calculated for S17 4D and truncated. I wasn’t sure if these were half deck or full deck estimations.
Since these are differences on indices that aren’t negative, except 12 v 6, are Norm’s considered the correct values here since they’re more specifically tailored?
Sorry to dig up the old post but I couldn’t find an answer and also have been wanting to know
Last edited by ajporrasm; 07-25-2022 at 10:48 AM.
That’s interesting, I haven’t heard of the use of a specific index affecting a different index. Where could I find reading material on that if you don’t mind sharing?
For a game that is 6D S17 DAS LS, is it correct to use your indices since it was calculated specific to that game?
Offhand, I don't know of any reading material on this. When you are creating a standard index for 12v6; you determine the advantage of hitting or standing with different counts. But, if you hit and get a deuce, you must know what you will do with a 12v8 with the modified count including the deuce, as that will affect the advantage of hitting 12v6. If you are calculating the index for a split, you must know what you will do in various hit/stand and double situations that can result.
Best to use specific indices.
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