Quote Originally Posted by Romes View Post
I think newer players don't get that concept. Not sure if that's what you meant to type... New players seem to think "I can do +1 and -1, let's go start winning" and don't have any concept of Penetration, RoR, etc, etc.

Penetration (in my opinion) is #2 on the list of importance for a game:
1) Heat
2) Penetration
3) Speed
4) Side Bets
5) Rules/HE

Ironic how many newbies waste the day walking around looking for S17 games, when that's near the bottom of my list for things to look for...
I think a more accurate explanation of your number 1 - tolerance, explained as lack of heat.also, 99.9% of my play is H17, though it would be fair to say that S17 also makes up for some lousy deck pen.