I have seen a pit person checking the machine. He took 3 cards out, face down, put the remaining 6 decks in and after the shuffle came to a stop, he read from the window on top, the cards he had taken out, and then confirmed that the reading was accurate, the machine could read the missing cards.
This tells me that the machine could be programmed, if nothing else, to clump big and small cards together. Whether they do it or not is subject to debate.
Well you bet it can be programmed, it has to be programmed to deal!Originally Posted by ZeeBabar
But doing so, as you suggested, would violate many of the rules from the Gaming Commission and likely would be considered cheating (changing the outcome of game). If they are doing it, then they risk their gaming license. It would be the same as changing a video slot/poker machine to cheat.
The MACHINE itself is all the counter measure you need.
Would not tell you that none are doing it but would say that it would be stupid as well as illegal. But then stupid is a possibility when you understand the cost of other measures taken to thwart counters.
If ANY logic prevailed, then why would you try to defeat the outside potential of a very, very, very small advantage by the few counters that you allow to play (the vast majority of which already avoid these damn machines) and risk some severe punishments that might include jail.
In a very small number of instances, some AP's could get a very slight advantage against some specific machines and dealing protocols. Too small to warrant any threat.
Pursuing this is a waste of time.
Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!
i was not pursuing it but I have seen the gaming Commission at work in small town out of the way casinos and as a casino owner, I would have no worries about either getting caught or being punished and I would do it at the one or two $25 min tables. The way I have seen clumps of cards come out, of negative RC over 25 after just a deck and a half dealt or shoes ending with a positive RC of 15+, time after time at one such casino, I suspect something is going on.
Two young ladies working for the CC drive into town, stay at a local hotel overnight, walk around the casino with a pad and pen, observing each game for 5 minutes, walking among slots and taking notes. The pit and everyone who works there are aware of the visit. One or two f the ploppies tried hitting on one of the two while I was there.
i don't see how a casino can get caught very often or the sanctions that come with getting caught. Yes license revocation is possible but I seriously doubt getting caught once will result in it.
As much as I distrust casinos and overseeing organizations; this is still ridiculous. We are talking about corporations that sell these devices internationally in scores of legal environments with little to gain and their entire net worth at risk if they engage in such shenanigans. One must be aware of possible negatives in whatever your efforts. But, let us not waste time and opportunity on overactive imagination.
"I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse
As cynical as people like to be, I find it a bit silly that people don't think of this. Just like in the AP world, being honest in the gambling industry is only good business. I would be more worried about casinos cheating in an illegal establishment or a jurisdiction that lacks a strong or fair legal authority.
My one and only experience playing a CSM table was in 2000 before I started counting and loved to play blackjack. It was at the Luxor and sat down at an empty table. I was familiar with ASM but never had seen this type of machine before and didn't think anything of it but I went on to win 9 hands in a row. Then the dealer proceded to win 12 hands in a row. Cursed that machine to hell and vowed never to play a CSM again.
The technology is definitely there, as I've seen a shufflemaster (pai gow machine) sort a deck by rank and suit faster than most might believe.
While shufflmaster includes this programming I imagine the casino would have to find a "rogue" programmer to do the dirty work for anything else.
Combined with the consequences it is hardly feasible a casino would ever have a CSM "stacked" against the players.
The average ploppy gives the casino much more of an advantage than the HE suggests, no need to risk it.
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