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    Quote Originally Posted by mofungoo View Post
    "Hilo is the best for casino play, according to professionals."
    False statement noted.

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    It is correct if you make it "Hilo is the best for casino play, according to professionals (that use Hilo)." Obviously the professionals that don't use it feel differently or they would use it.

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    The only thing "professionals" all agree on, is that winning is better than losing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    The only thing "professionals" all agree on, is that winning is better than losing.
    ummm....I think most would agree that OSN is scum.
    Last edited by KJ; 10-28-2015 at 09:28 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    So it is fair to assume you, Tarzan, and Flash are not pros? I think not.
    No my knowledge T3 has stated that he is not a professional player. I believe he is working towards playing professionally at some point in the future. While, I too assume Tarzan is a 'professional' player, I don't recall if he has ever stated or confirmed that. Flash, most definitely is a professional player.

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    There is one thing all pros agree on: Winning is better than losing; and OSN is scum. Two things. There are two things pros agree on: Winning is better than losing; and OSN is scum; and an almost fanatical devotion....Three things....
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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    So who or what determines Pro?
    Good post. And please, let's not actually try to define this.
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    I always thought that defining "Professional" (in almost any context),
    e.g. Professional Engineer [P.E.] or Pro baseball player was not difficult.

    If an individual devotes a reasonable amount of time to gambling
    endeavors and accrues profits sufficient

    to support themselves at a lower middle class level or better,
    (for at least two or more years) and earns no significant income
    from other sources, then that person is indeed a Professional Gambler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Good post. And please, let's not actually try to define this.
    I hate to disagree with you, Norm when we just agreed on something (OSN is scum) for the first time in what seems like forever.

    But the Pro thing is important and it's not to separate anyone out saying this group is smarter or better or anything than anyone else. (I am proof that is not the case). But there is something to be said for the way players that actually support themselves from blackjack play, think and do things. It is a different mindset than part-time or recreational players that are often obsessed with the math and their ability to take things to some sort of new or higher level.

    Professional players less concerned with the higher math and scraping every available dollar and more concerned with the actual applying of fairly simple techniques, in my opinion. Unfortunately having had most of our professional players leave this site, for whatever reason, that perspective is not being properly heard.
    Last edited by KJ; 10-28-2015 at 10:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    " ... in my opinion."
    In my "opinion", you are flat out wrong,
    BUT the laudable act of stating something
    as "opinion" is quite commendable.

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    to be a pro means that you make money doing it.
    at home depot they have a pro parking area,this means if your a contractor or handyman then you definitely qualify.
    a homeowner ,nomatter how good they are at repairs, is not a pro unless they work on homes for a living
    Last edited by shorty; 10-28-2015 at 10:59 AM.
    assumptions are the mother of all mistakes.

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    anybody who is on top can claim to be a pro at bj.
    I looked it up in the dictionary over a year ago.
    assumptions are the mother of all mistakes.

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