Backcounting at Local Stores

[stopgambling]

I will keep this ultra simple. It is one of the reasons why a Level One Count can never be strong.

The E O R (Effect of removal) is rather weak for the 2 and 7, while it is moderate for the 3 and 6.

If you have "positive" true count without seeing many 4's and 5's the house still probably has the edge.

Conversely if you have seen an abundance of 4's and 5's played and you think that your True Count is

slightly positive -- you are (most likely) severely under-betting, "leaving money on the table" as we say.

Pretty much sums it up for level 1 ,especially for pitch. On the other hand , 6 deck shoe with average pen do not have such a big problem with this. it does not high chance of imbalance depletion of A's vs x , 4,s ,5s vs 2,3,6. i have play a long side 2 different known players ,one use Zen ,another uses halves and we bet into the mid to high tc quite different at times. i would say i saw about 3-5%(maybe even 7-8% of the times that we bet differently. By playing faster and error free with a healthy bank along with good condition ,I would not worry too much if i am using level 1 or level 2,3 counting system.

[seriousplayer]

Do regular players even have the access to the index tables for the Hi Opt II with ASC? All useful information in forums related to the topic have been deleted over the decades due to the efforts from both casinos and pros for different reasons but same goal that you can't let the majority beat the game. Pros pass this information only to the closest friends. This is the only way to play BJ with low variance and high P/E. I estimate there are less than 200 people in the world mastering this arts. They are the only true threat to the casinos IMO. Even people mastering with AO2 or Zen can lose big money in their lifetime due to the huge inherited variance from the game itself.

Pro = Hi-Opt II with ASC
AP = Hi-Opt II, AO2 or Zen players
amateur AP = Hi-Lo or Hi-Opt I player
ploppy = Basic Strategy BJ player.

Could a Hi-lo counter label themselves as professional card counters? Since you said Hi-lo counters are amateur APs.

[Bodarc]

I estimate there are less than 200 people in the world mastering this arts.

amateur AP = Hi-Lo or Hi-Opt I player

BjGenius, you should probably stop munching on those Jimson Weed seeds