House Edge on this Game(?)

[sefwow]

I found this game but I can't work out the house edge because in this game I am not allowed to surrender against a dealer's ace card.

Uses a CSM (should be a good thing because I think it lowers the house edge slightly)

6 deck, Stay at Soft 17, Double Down on any 2 cards (but not soft hands) , Double After Split, up to 4 splits, Can resplit aces, BJ 3:2, Early Surrender

I figured that the house edge is around -0.09% but that is being able to surrender vs Aces and I figure this might be huge as with early surrender basic strategy more hands are surrendered against aces than with late surender.

If anyone can help me with this I would really appreciate it.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

It CANNOT be a 6 deck game if it is a CSM, [most of which re-circulate 5 decks]

This is a BAD game if you cannot double a SOFT hand. That alone is very costly.

Without looking it up I am quite sure that you are way off in your estimate.

My estimate is that the House Edge in this (uncountable) game is 0.50%

Certainly NOT playable in any sense of the word.

Where is this game ? That is the real question, as the house is trying

To trick you into believing that it is a playable game, when it isn't.

[Masterhoudini]

I wonder about the csm part too. How can it be csm and 6d shoe?

It sounds like a solid game though if it's the rules you described without csm. Certainly not the best but definitely not "unplayable." House edge is prob around 0.4-0.5%.

I'm prob in the minority, but I'm of the camp that almost anything is playable except 6:5 and csm.

[Norm]

There are certainly 6 deck CSMs.

[bjarg]

It CANNOT be a 6 deck game if it is a CSM.

What are you talking about man?

[moo321]

http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackj...ics/#toc-Rules

http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/calculator/

I'm getting about .12% for the house. Not a bad game at all. Obviously, not something where counting alone is typically going to be worth your time, but one of the best CSM games you're going to find out there.

[moo321]

What are you talking about man?

Just Flash oversimplifying a bit. The most common CSM game is a 5 decker.

A correct statement would be: it is probably not (EDIT) 6 decks.

[sefwow]

It CANNOT be a 6 deck game if it is a CSM, [most of which re-circulate 5 decks]

This is a BAD game if you cannot double a SOFT hand. That alone is very costly.

Without looking it up I am quite sure that you are way off in your estimate.

My estimate is that the House Edge in this (uncountable) game is 0.50%

Certainly NOT playable in any sense of the word.

Where is this game ? That is the real question, as the house is trying

To trick you into believing that it is a playable game, when it isn't.

Not being able to double soft hands is very costly but having early surrender is great.

This is what my calculation came out to - see attachment (no site I could find has early surrender) Screenshot_2015-06-16-00-18-46 (1).jpg

I was just curious as to what the house edge would be without being able to early surrender against the ace.

And it is a CSM and when I asked they said it was a 6 deck game.

[DSchles]

Yes, from pp. 492-493 of BJA3, the edge is 0.117%.

Don

[Masterhoudini]

Bjarg can you please contact me by pm or email at [email protected]

it appears the pm function is not working for me. Thanks. Sorry for hijacking this thread

[sefwow]

wow not being able to surrender aces changes the edge by that much?

I guess its not playable - thanks Don!

[Masterhoudini]

Whoa whoa let's not get ahead of ourselves. Just because you can't surrender on ace doesn't mean it's not playable

[sefwow]

Whoa whoa let's not get ahead of ourselves. Just because you can't surrender on ace doesn't mean it's not playable

But if its a house edge of 0.11 like Don says and its a CSM then it wouldn't be worth it.

I was just thinking that maybe the player has an edge off the top