Split or Double Down??

[DSchles]

Graphical representation of 4,4 vs. 5:
https://www.card-counting.com/cvcxonlineviewer3.htm

Notice how very slowly the edge rises (almost perfectly linearly) per TC.

Don

[ZeeBabar]

Excellent, thanks.

[nwkfern69]

If you have a pair of 4's and the true count is at point were you would double down 8 against dealer 5 or 6. What do u do, split the 4's or double it down?

Ok so some people here think I'm stupid or something, so what Ima do is clarify my perfectly valid question to a player who can actually answer it.
I use zen count with a true count conversion. The games I play are either DD with H17, DAS, RSA, double any two cards, re-split up to 4 hands or 6D shoe with the same rules plus surrender allowed. Now my indices for a pair of 4's vs. 5 is to split if equal to or greater than a true count of 0 and for the 6 its a split if the true count if equal to or greater than -4. Now a pair of 4's equals 8 and if my true count is +7 or greater i would have to double against either a 5 or 6 if I wanted to play my 4's as an 8. When my true count is +7 or greater what is the best move to do if i have 4's vs 5 or 6?
thanks

[ZenMaster_Flash]

Let's make this very very simple.
It is rarely worth thinking about doubling.
4-4 vs. 6 is a DOUBLE only if you have a
monster positive count.

Notes:

Doubling provides a smidgen of camouflage.
Doubling is NOT as risk-aversive as splitting.
As Tarzan has pointed out - this is a very odd hand.
Aces, side-counted are a very powerful factor
Surplus Aces favor doubling or hitting, not splitting,
especially in a S17 game.
Deficit Aces clearly work in the opposite direction.
Surplus 5's, 6's, 7's, of course, favor the split.

[Rudy]

Let's make this very very simple.
It is rarely worth thinking about doubling.
4-4 vs. 6 is a DOUBLE only if you have a
monster positive count.

Notes:

Doubling provides a smidgen of camouflage.
Doubling is NOT as risk-aversive as splitting.
As Tarzan has pointed out - this is a very odd hand.
Aces, side-counted are a very powerful factor
Surplus Aces favor doubling or hitting, not splitting,
especially in a S17 game.
Deficit Aces clearly work in the opposite direction.
Surplus 5's, 6's, 7's, of course, favor the split.

Nice to see you posting again Flash.

[Tarzan]

The games I play are either DD with H17, DAS

Read back to what I posted about only seeing a deck composition that you could double in with S17 (calling it a "Goldilocks zone") and not H17 for these two hands. With H17 there are only two choices, split or hit for 4,4vs5-6. There is no situation that you would double these hands in a H17 game, splitting in all positive counts.