But then, his father didn't teach him to be fratricidal. The Don died happy in his garden playing with his grandkid; not like his son, the 11th most iconic villain in film history.
But then, his father didn't teach him to be fratricidal. The Don died happy in his garden playing with his grandkid; not like his son, the 11th most iconic villain in film history.
"I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse
This is true. BTW, where did you get the stat from? My list had Freddy Krueger in #11.Originally Posted by Norm
PS-- My list was the 50 "Best" Villains in Movie History, not Iconic. He did not even make the list.
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Aslan 11/1/90 - 6/15/10 Stormy 1/22/95 - 8/23/10... “Life’s most urgent question is: what are you doing for others?” — Martin Luther King, Jr.
Depends on who you ask. Not being "chummy" with anyone and trying to be a "ghost" as a regular is a one way ticket to bansville before long. Besides, the level of action I put out for them on any given day pretty much secures my safety from being "looked into" since I'm not blatantly obvious about my game/s like some people have mistaken done on this forum.
Hell, me and a few high rollers from my "local" place went golfing with the VP last year in their 4 man scramble. Not to toot my own horn or anything, but I doubt many APBJ players or any level AP guy will get that kind of "opportunity".
You are correct, it can be dangerous. I wouldn't necessarily recommend it.
On the other hand, becoming a "known" player can let you get away with murder, and let you get other edges, such as comps. Don Johnson got really chummy with the casinos, and made 8 figures doing it.
The Cash Cow.
This is confusing. You seem to imply you area bigger bettor by your win rate and then talk about your level of action here not warranting attention. To me that implies low action since in BJ ant larger action will get checked. Then you talk about ratholing so much that after winning 9/10 sessions with a ridiculous win rate and long sessions that you shoe something like 1/10 wins and mostly pushes for session results. Do you know the odds of ending in pushes? It is very small but can be higher if you strive to end in a push as a goal. And you believe that with large chip shortages or imbalances in the chip tray everywhere you play won't go noticed? You really shouldn't post the answers to the following questions so consider them rhetorical questions.
Which is it, do you bet big enough to get attention and have a huge win rate or do you bet small enough to go under the radar?
Which is it, do you rathole enough to make all those big wins become losses which assures sooner or later an investigation will be instigated to check for dealer theft or exonerate the dealer because tape review discovered that you were trying to hide the fact that you were ratholing as they track each chip stack of every player at the table and where their chips end up and then starts a computer review of your play to check for advantage play? Just remember the biggest vulnerability to a casino is employee theft. Most procedures are designed to make sure employee theft isn't happening. They are quicker to look into that possibility than any other vulnerability. One dealer ratholing a green chip each shift takes the casino for $6500 a year. Between each break well it gets pretty ridiculous then. An employee going undetected for 5 years at 1 green chip a shift is $32500. No counter is going to take a casino for that much before being 86ed. I had a suit tell me about an employee that stole $100 per shift starting almost from the beginning of their employment and was caught after some years. the employee took them for 7 figures.
As for being chummy. It is a good short term strategy but will bit you after a while especially if you actually have them fooled. Odds are they know exactly what you are doing but don't care because they won't get in trouble for not acting. Once they could get in trouble for not acting you will be 86ed. If you have them fooled many will act as soon as they figure it out because they feel played as a fool. Others are happy to see someone getting money from the casino without being detected. Remember these casino employees see people lose money that most can't afford to lose all day long. It eats at a decent persons sole and if they are bothered by it they are happy to see people win money. Others don't have any sympathy for players and want them all to lose.
Knowing which type you are dealing with goes far toward longevity. I have found as long as you are cooperative and pleasant and the employees can look the other way without issue you are fine. Threaten a dealers job by having a revue of their table due to unbalanced chip trays due to overdoing ratholing will bite you when either the dealer figures out you are responsible or surveillance figures it out. Just look at the attitude of the employees. They all should at least feign happiness for you winning but the ones that can't at least do that you should avoid. They will not look the other way. Obviously phony happiness for your win should have you at least guarded about that employee if not avoid any such employee.
There is so much that goes toward success that has nothing to do with card counting or what system you use that you should make sure you pay as much attention if not more to these details than your count. That said you should use a system that best fits the games you play and you abilities, strengths and weaknesses. When I hear people say they can only do a, b or c with a brain dead system that tells me they never practiced much at any system. If you practice enough no matter what system you use you should be able to do a, b and c. It is like the beginning driver. The tiniest distraction can through them off. But an experienced driver no matter how complicated the task of driving what they drive is can deal with everyday distractions fine. The same is true with the most complicated tasks people do all the time. The caution comes from the saw mill owner. All the sawyers are missing part of one hand or the other. It never happened when they were inexperienced and cautious. It happens when they get too comfortable with what they do every day. The task of running lumber through the mill is pretty easy so their mind can wander once they get too comfortable with such an easy task. One slip up and 3 fingers are on the floor.
Last edited by Three; 01-14-2015 at 04:35 PM.
I think you confused yourself and have the "opposite" of the situation in mind. Let me clarify.
I've mentioned countless times on this forum that I play a number of stores and that I have a "main" store, this comments are specific to the "main" store only.
My average bet for any one hand last year is just shy of $25. Last year, according to my logs and a safe average, they saw $1,700,000 in blackjack action from me. Which, on the whole, isn't a whole lot as far as table games is concerned.
In VP/Machine play (which is how I got to that "high roller" status) I put out $826,000 in machine/vp action, which is a HUGE number by comparison to the blackjack numbers. My "THEO" from BJ is only $8,500. My "THEO" from Machine/VP play, is roughly $65,240.
When I say I am a "big bettor" as you said, I'm implying total action at the casino, roughly 2.5 Million in action for last year. When I say that my "level of action" pretty much allows me to go unnoticed, I mean it in the sense of, they aren't even going to THINK about harassing me with some "oh you're a card counter on a $5 table" bullshit, risking a total of 2.5 million in action if they say the wrong thing or make the wrong move. This is precisely why I'm on a first name basis with EVERYONE in the casino from Valet to VP. Not necessarily because I wanted to, or needed to. But because I'm a "regular" and a "high roller" at my local joint. I will say though, that the cover pretty much assumed itself for me without having to make a decision on it, and I've just ran with the "cards that are dealt" so to speak.
As for the ratholing, its not like I'm taking down blacks and purples. I'm taking down almost entirely reds. I know their protocols like the back of my hand so much that I could work for them. I've even had lengthy discussions with the floor personnel during slow periods about guys "taking chips off table and not coloring them up for the dealer", which of course (through light buttering) the Floor opened up and told me about what they do and don't do in that case, and then added on little gems like "And its not like we're going to waste our time to drink down 5 dollar chips that a player took off the table". Of course, there's a lot more valuable insight I had learned during that discussion that I cannot put on an open forum. Suffice to say, If I take 3 red chips off every table I visit in a day (probably 15-20 tables) they will never notice, nor care. And yes, to answer your question about wins/losses, I rathole very heavily to cover my wins up, as should any competent red chipper.
I"ll put it like this. Since there's guys out there who will sit and play and knowingly in full view of the floor, take a couple red chips, put them in their pocket, make a little more, put them in their pocket, lose it all, bring a couple out of their pocket, etc. and those guys just "get on" with their business, they sure as shit aren't ever going to suspect someone like me that they can't even see without having to compare 9 different camera angles (rare) or violate human/civil rights to find out (99% of the time).
Believe it or not, where I play, the "error" doesn't lie with the dealers when they have a disparity of chips missing. They will review the dealers piece by piece and pass them. The "leftovers" unless its a ridiculously large amount, are written off as "player walk offs".
If you think ratholing my chips to cover up wins is bad, you should see what I do to disguise slot/vp winnings lol.
My point here is, if you're nice, friendly, talkative, and compliant with the casino, as I am, you're not ever really going to be a target. Toss in the "high roller" and "regular" thing, and I'm just another tile on the floor.
I was referring to the current poster or subject of THIS article. Not Grosjean.......that WAS ages ago. If it's pending litigation it's just a claim in bankruptcy and ultimately, if they file soon, as everyone says, then the litigation will be stayed first. Then probably moved to bk court OR they may settle and then it becomes another claim in the bankruptcy UNLESS they are able to prove punitive damages which CAN be treated differently as to satisfaction in the bankruptcy arena.
"Women and cats will do as they please, and Men and dogs should just relax and get used to the idea" --- Robert A. Heinlein
Thanks. I was whipping out a post on the way to do something. I slipped a digit one way on the first example and the other way on the other. It is fixed now. I did find it a little hard to believe the casino could miss 1 black chip every day the guy worked since all casinos track black chips but that is what the suit told me and I didn't feel it wise to question it.
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