Anyone saw last night's Elementary on CBS?

[BJGenius007]

Um, folks...we are talking a TV show here. Hollywood. Usually very little correlation with reality.

But, in my opinion this type of situation is more likely to occur in a less regulated or self regulated Indian casino than a corporate type casino somewhere like Vegas. The 'erosion' of regulations and patron rights is why I have not gone out of my way to play Indian Casinos despite better rules. I mean those better rules or great penetration isn't as attractive if a few 10's/Aces are missing, are they?

On this episode, it is said that the casino is owned by a big corp and its owner is also New York State gaming commissioner.

But it is a makeup story, not something really happened in real world.

[Frank Galvin]

Most native casinos that I have been to do in fact spread the cards and spread them face up, or both face up and face down. I cannot recall a table opening where I have not seen this done, but if Tarzan says so then in isolated cases I would believe it is true.

I can tell you as fact that the Seminole tribal casinos in Florida wash them face down, and have refused to wash them face up. Really gets you wondering what they might be up to. Just thought I would share with you what happens down here without any government oversight. Gaming commissions might generally be useless for APs, but, living here in the land of Seminole, I only wish we had one.

[Three]

But if every shoe only misses kings and queens, not tens and jacks, it is almost certain casino cheats.

This casino is dumb. They should have take equal amounts of ten, jack, queen and king.

There are cards cut off. Presumedly a lot of cards that aren't seen every shoe. You could show a low probability event with enough shoes but in the same number of shoes and complete decks all sorts of low probability events will occur. Noting would be conclusive evidence.

[Three]

I can tell you as fact that the Seminole tribal casinos in Florida wash them face down, and have refused to wash them face up.

I have never seen any casino wash cards face up. Are you sure you don't mean spread the cards not wash. Wash is when they swirl the cards around face down to mix them together in a way other than the standard shuffle.

[Frank Galvin]

Mea culpa. Watching football game and got distracted. Yes, when they are spreading them out in order to inspect them for physical defects. At least that's the explanation I had been provided when I asked.

[ZenKinG]

I have never seen any casino wash cards face up. Are you sure you don't mean spread the cards not wash. Wash is when they swirl the cards around face down to mix them together in a way other than the standard shuffle.

I have never seena casino spread the cards face up either

[Three]

I have never seena casino spread the cards face up either

In some of the casinos I play at the are required by state law to show the cards face up and not start mixing them until a customers okays that they are all there. Of course if a casino buys the "preshuffled" packs this is meaningless and/or not done. In my experience only when "preshuffled" packs are used do they not display the decks face up before mixing. With "preshuffled" cards it doesn't accomplish anything if they display them face up because you can't tell if they are all there or not.

[mcallister3200]

I have never seena casino spread the cards face up either

Please re-read the statement you quoted. He is talking about washing, not spreading. I believe you are either confusing the terms washing and spreading cards or interpreting them to mean the same thing. Cards are always washed face down. If they spread them when opening a table/bringing in new cards they are typically spread face up or both. If they are spreading cards because a table emptied, then that is done face down.

[Three]

Please re-read the statement you quoted. He is talking about washing, not spreading. I believe you are either confusing the terms washing and spreading cards or interpreting them to mean the same thing. Cards are always washed face down. If they spread them when opening a table/bringing in new cards they are typically spread face up or both. If they are spreading cards because a table emptied, then that is done face down.

That eliminates the confusion. ... Hopefully.

[Exoter175]

Please re-read the statement you quoted. He is talking about washing, not spreading. I believe you are either confusing the terms washing and spreading cards or interpreting them to mean the same thing. Cards are always washed face down. If they spread them when opening a table/bringing in new cards they are typically spread face up or both. If they are spreading cards because a table emptied, then that is done face down.

A lot of casinos and states will have different regulations, washing is done face down, not face up, like you said, but I don't think I've seen a spread done face down after a table emptied, I'll have to look for this next time!

[mcallister3200]

A lot of casinos and states will have different regulations, washing is done face down, not face up, like you said, but I don't think I've seen a spread done face down after a table emptied, I'll have to look for this next time!

Most commonly seen on a single/double deck game.

[paymypush]

Interesting story involving Blackjack. A casino chain wants to build a casino at an Indian Reservation in Virginia. It turns out the map is inaccurate. The best spot is not in the Indian reservation. The land owner murdered two people in the process. To uncover the truth, Sherlock Holmes has to go to the largest casino in New York that the chain owns and secretly taped the Blackjack table. Sherlock and his assistant analyzed the tape and discovered a few Kings and Queens are missed in the shoe so Sherlock used the information to blackmail the casino owner who is also the New York State gaming commissioner to cooperate. It is quite funny that the mainstream media thinks big casinos took out few face cards so casinos can win more.

At least it was a six deck shoe.

[Exoter175]

Most commonly seen on a single/double deck game.

I frequently play DD around my area, never seen it.