Moving to Vegas in Future

[Exoter175]

For Strip Casinos : (3 days a week)
One day I will play every single strip casino on morning shift, another day Ill play every casino during afternoon shift, another day every single casino on graveyard shift. Keep all the records in Excel and mix and match accordingly on where I need to go each and every day, etc. For each day, once I show my max bet just once in a particular casino, I'm out of there for the whole day and on to the next casino, so on and so forth. If I'm there for more than 2 hours in any casino and don't get to use my max bet, I will also leave as well and go to the next store.

Off-Strip casinos (2 days a week)

These casinos I will have more flexibility and was designed to be this way as off strip casinos are harder to stay under the radar. I can attack 3 different shifts in only 2 days. So I can alternate morning, afternoon, and graveyard shift. One week I can do just morning and graveyard. Another week I can do afternoon and graveyard or afternoon and morning etc. These casinos will be played the same way as strip casinos. Once I show my max bet Im out of there in a flash and on to the next.

I believe this way of playing is a good strategy as it only shows my face one time in each casino each week on that particular shift and for a very short time-frame as well. It's easy to log, very convenient, and should be able to log at least 30 hours a week of actual table time doing so with hopefully some longevity along the way.



Thoughts, advice? Concerns? Thanks

This strategy isn't going to work, I'll tell you that right now, and I'll probably cover "why" towards the end of this post.

Shifts change in the pit and surveillance and the dealers at different times in the same store usually staggered by a couple hours. This can make playing different shifts for both the pit and surveillance difficult. You can watch when the pit staff changes but you are probably going to be guessing when surveillance changes. You may find some shifts are best avoided altogether the hard way.

Stick around a joint long enough and you get a feel for it, you'll also notice that Dealer shifts/changes/breaks differ from floor/surveillance/personnel types, and this will see a pretty high variance from one joint to the next.

Yes I have been there, but just once, I was there for a video game tournament. I didn't have any problem wonging in and out, but I played mostly at night at odd hours. Thanks for the heads up.

If you didn't have a problem wonging in and out, you weren't playing the "real" games then, as almost all of them have NMS, making the WI impossible, and the WO a red flag.

The first thing I would do is validate that you would get 30 hours a week of table time with your solo WI/WO strategy. If you assume you are playing 20 minutes of every hour you're "working", you would have to be actively working, not counting travel,meals, etc ., 90 hours a week on a sustained basis .

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I cannot emphasize enough, how important it is to get in depth and very thorough on your plans and travels. If you just arbitrarily throw numbers at a plan, you aren't going to like the outcome.

Why 30 hours a week? Why not 5? 55? Why divide up play between strip/off strip? Why not divide it up into Strip/Off Strip/FSE-Downtown? Better yet, why not divide up the play time based on casino ownership? Caesars-harrahs one day/week, MGM the next, Penn after that, etc. etc.

ZK no offense is truly intended, but from your posts that I've read and engaged with, you seem to overlook or completely ignore the fine lines of the ebb and flow of things, you seem to be the type who gets an idea in his head and goes with it (the stock bullshit as a point), and that's fine, but you need to ease off the reigns a bit and truly plan this thing out and look at every single detail from the proper angle.

If I had to make one suggestion for truly "moving" to vegas to play, it would be to slow down the "attack" and make it a "battle of attrition" as it were. If you plan to hit 1 shift from each casino per "section" per day, you're going to get noticed and within 2 months guaranteed. And, if by your math, you get 30 hours a week in at 8 weeks, at 70 hands per hour, you're looking at just shy of 17,000 hands, how much profit do you really thing you're going to make? What is your RoI? Do you have a big enough bankroll to mitigate RoR?

Vegas has a MILLION and a half casinos to play at, and if your betting fluctuates enough, you're going to get caught, fast, at any number of casinos. Spread yourself out. Instead of playing this place this day, and that place that day, why not just limit yourself to one place a day? You'll stretch out longevity by magnitudes, and since there's far more than 30 casinos in vegas, you're looking, at worst, being seen at one place every month, stretch that by 3 shifts, and you won't even see the same personnel until 3 months later. At that point, all you have to do is avoid being seen backcounting and wonging, and you've got the strongest cover/advantage option that I personally believe you could get from a "living in vegas" strategy.

What are you doing for Room? Food? Showers? Are you renting an apartment there? Did you do a financial calculation for the required nestegg/bankroll you'd need to survive there?

I like the spirit you've got with wanting to hit the heart of vegas hard, but I think you're really underestimating how easily you'll be backed off with this strategy of play.

[RS]

Being on the strip 8 hours a day isn't the hard part, but being on the strip for 8 hours swing one day, 8 hours grave the next, and 8 hours day the next....is going to be pretty tough.

Even if you're "out and about" 8 hours on the strip, doesn't mean you'll get anywhere near 8 hours of play. Casinos are much further apart than you think. Buying in, cashing out, finding a shoe to Wong into, hell -- even finding a fresh shoe to count is going to take up a lot more time than you think.

[mcallister3200]

Getting 25-30 hours a week in at lower stakes has taken me about 60 hours a wk. out and about the last month, it's just not as easy to get the hours in as you think it will be.

[Goatlife]

the most important issue is how did you all of a sudden raise a bankroll to play 2x500... be careful, are you going to mentally be okay if and when at some point your bankroll takes a 40 percent hit and you start getting backed off and bills are due?

to bet 2x500 I would prob want 200k and take 50k out for spending in 1.5 - 2 years until you get 1k plus hours in. If you getting backed by squares or civillians this can add to stress and make sure they actually know what there getting involved in. I don't get why you don't just play part time on east coast. Save vegas till you actually know what your doing , you will be thankful latter as there probably isn't a sweatier venue in the country.

[RoadWarrior]

interesting thread! an updates on this? I stumbled upon on this thread and the very idea of also back wonging into games. It's a very interesting strategy!

[BJGenius007]

interesting thread! an updates on this? I stumbled upon on this thread and the very idea of also back wonging into games. It's a very interesting strategy!

Sometime ago everybody, at least the important ones in this forum, got mad at OP and gang up against him. I think he is banished.

[KJ]

Sometime ago everybody, at least the important ones in this forum, got mad at OP and gang up against him. I think he is banished.

I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I find that a pretty inaccurate description of the way things unfolded. Also, I believe 'banished' is slightly premature. I believe the person in question has one strike remaining. Here's hoping he decides to use it to become a contributing member and follow the rules that the rest of us do.

[ZeeBabar]

My opinion is that No One should consider quitting a job or moving to Las vegas to make a living off BJ until they have played at least a couple of years on a part-time basis, have lost 5 Max Bets in a row ,gone through a 50 hour losing streak or having been down $15k. far too many folks choose to make a living out of BJ based upon the successes they have had. They should make the decisions on how they handle the negative swings rather than from the glow of positive swings. I am still trying to make a decision about my ability to do BJ more extensively. For example, a couple of times, I balked at doubling down on my max bet when I had a 11 against a 10 or doubled for less and at another time, with a good sized bet out, I received 8,8 against a 10. I split, received a 9 and yet another 8, split that and received a 6 and busted on one hand, received another 8 and elected to stay for fear of busting again. The dealer had a 10 and I lost all my hands anyway.

Until we can confidently play it right regardless of how much we are down, making a decision to move or going into something full time is asking for trouble.

[Blitzkrieg]

Once I get a good sized bankroll for this spread and bet size, I'm thinking about moving there and going a mix of part time and full time. My question is, if I can constantly move around, alternate between many casinos each and every day, play different shifts mixing it up nicely(recording everything in Excel) and never play the same shift in the same casino for 3-4 weeks, keep records of heat each visit and on each shift, will that be enough for any longevity or will I have to eventually lower my max bet? How are the tolerance level in Vegas generally? Is 2x500 too high of a max bet for any type of longevity there? What max bets usually don't cause any heat? Which casinos share information with one another? Would appreciate any advice from KJ or others who regularly play in Vegas. By the way this is assuming a very great act, im very sociable when I play and am confident I can continue to do so, almost like a Ken Uston type personality. It's not a problem for me. Of course I also have other little cover ploys I like to do that I have mentioned before on this forum that I have in my arsenal.

If you have a Ken Uston like personality then it should be safe to say that sooner or later your going to get under the skin of the casino to where they hate you with a passion. I hope you have your act together before your manifest destiny comes to light because Ken would have more than likely been able to answer all of your questions. I think you would be better off not going to Vegas ZK.

[ellenc]

with a good sized bet out, I received 8,8 against a 10. I split, received a 9 and yet another 8, split that and received a 6 and busted on one hand, received another 8 and elected to stay for fear of busting again. The dealer had a 10 and I lost all my hands anyway.

This is off topic, when you have good size bet out, got 8/8. the correct way shouldn't be concede defeat, stop and wait for your luck? Because the count likely is high, splitting is only add more money to the hole.

[ZeeBabar]

This is off topic, when you have good size bet out, got 8/8. the correct way shouldn't be concede defeat, stop and wait for your luck? Because the count likely is high, splitting is only add more money to the hole.

The basic point I was making to the OP was to not make life changing decisions (like moving to Las Vegas), to maybe take a 2-3 week vacation and see if he has it. No sim can really tell you if you have the temperament to make a carrer out of BZj,. You have to go through the downswings and get actual experience.

[moo321]

The basic point I was making to the OP was to not make life changing decisions (like moving to Las Vegas), to maybe take a 2-3 week vacation and see if he has it. No sim can really tell you if you have the temperament to make a carrer out of BZj,. You have to go through the downswings and get actual experience.

Yep. Gambling with the rent money is harder than it sounds.

[Blitzkrieg]

The basic point I was making to the OP was to not make life changing decisions (like moving to Las Vegas), to maybe take a 2-3 week vacation and see if he has it. No sim can really tell you if you have the temperament to make a carrer out of BZj,. You have to go through the downswings and get actual experience.

The OP should already know the answers to his questions. He should already be pushing that kind of action in his local and surrounding areas before he heads to Vegas. Why is it going to take a move to Vegas to push a miniscule $500 chip on the felt to see if any heat will be givin? If they give you any heat or lip, tell'em to go F k themselves and deal the damn cards! Don't go to Vegas to just stand around in the BJ pit watching others play for God knows how long waiting, and then decide when the count gets favorable to jump in, sounds like a waste of time and he'll be doing a lot of standing around.