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    Here's the thing. This information serves no actual purpose other than academic observation. It's not like you are going to do anything at all other than stand on 19vsT and the EV will not drop far enough to warrant surrendering no matter what. May I ask about the origin of the question or why you wish to know this? It's at a lowly TC+2 or so that this becomes a negative expectation hand, with the more negative the count, the higher EV for the hand but regardless of what the EV is the playing decision for this hand never changes! It would take nearly a complete saturation of (T) in the remainder of the deck to surrender so that's out also. This is not information that will help your game at all, so it makes me curious as to why anyone would ask this particular question. Are you making a new and freaky blackjack trivia game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarzan View Post
    Here's the thing. This information serves no actual purpose other than academic observation. It's not like you are going to do anything at all other than stand on 19vsT and the EV will not drop far enough to warrant surrendering no matter what. May I ask about the origin of the question or why you wish to know this? It's at a lowly TC+2 or so that this becomes a negative expectation hand, with the more negative the count, the higher EV for the hand but regardless of what the EV is the playing decision for this hand never changes! It would take nearly a complete saturation of (T) in the remainder of the deck to surrender so that's out also. This is not information that will help your game at all, so it makes me curious as to why anyone would ask this particular question. Are you making a new and freaky blackjack trivia game?
    Tarzan,

    This information can also be useful to have if you're playing a sidebet called "House Money 21", which is described by the Wizard of Odds at the following URL: http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackj...c-HouseMoney21.

    To answer the OP's question, AFTER the dealer has checked for BJ, 19 vs. X is +EV if the TC is <=+5 (HiLo), while BEFORE the dealer checks for BJ, it is NEVER +EV. For those with Green Chip access, the answer can be found from the August 2012 POM at this URL: http://www.bj21.com/greenchip/archiv...cgi?read=21208.

    Hope this helps!

    Dog Hand

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