Blackjack Attack question

[seriousplayer]

On page 175 Table 9.27 for KO-P the backcounting RC to the right of $ amount is that depth based dependent or does not take into consideration the deck remaining? The reason I ask that is because I usually backcount and wong into shoes by depth with each deck correspond to TC >= 1.5. I am doing a simulation to compare the backcount of KO using wong in by depth to compare it to the SCORE on page 175 of Blackjack Attack.

[DSchles]

Best I can do is tell you that John Auston did these, using his BJRM 2002. It has a feature called "Find best Wong in," and that's what he used to generate those RCs. I think they must be an average across all decks.

Don

[seriousplayer]

Best I can do is tell you that John Auston did these, using his BJRM 2002. It has a feature called "Find best Wong in," and that's what he used to generate those RCs. I think they must be an average across all decks.

Don

I don't have BJRM does CVCX or CVDATA has a similar feature like "Find best Wong in"?

[DSchles]

When you choose Backcount, in CVCX, your first bet will automatically be made at the proper running count.

Don

[Norm]

Just jiggle the backcount spinner up and down and you'll immediately see the best SCORE.

[seriousplayer]

Thanks Norm and Don for answering my question.

I am wondering will backcount be a sure win strategy for 6-8 deck shoes games with good rules and penetration because been getting kill lately on these positive counts. The bad part is that positive counts only occur about 20% of the time in shoe games probably a little more in 6 than 8 deck. The bad part about backcounting is my hand per hour rate will be low. I will spend a lot of time just watching those games and sometimes it create a little suspicion.

[DSchles]

"The bad part about backcounting is my hand per hour rate will be low."

This is a strange comment. The definition of backcounting is watching the bad hands and playing only the good ones. Then, you complain about not playing more! So go play all the hands and win less! Don't understand your point.

Don

[seriousplayer]

"The bad part about backcounting is my hand per hour rate will be low."

This is a strange comment. The definition of backcounting is watching the bad hands and playing only the good ones. Then, you complain about not playing more! So go play all the hands and win less! Don't understand your point.

Don

Sorry for complaining my point is that I want to get in 100/hour playing the positive hands that way my win rate is higher. It is unlikely I will play 100/hour just backcounting. When backcounting sometime it take a long time for a shoe to turn positive and then I end up playing like 10-20 hands and can't find anymore opportunities.

[Zach Black]

Sorry for complaining my point is that I want to get in 100/hour playing the positive hands that way my win rate is higher. It might be unlikely I will play 100/hour just backcounting. When backcounting sometime it take a long time for a shoe to turn positive and then I end up playing like 10-20 hands and can't find anymore opportunities.

I think you should step back and evaluate why you want to play 100 hands/hr. I look at hands observed just the same as hands played but with a bet of zero and no cost to me. 10-20 hands an hour with an advantage is good.

The only way to increase the positive count frequency is to count multiple tables concurrently.

It's not possible to get 100 hands /hour backcounting, all with an advantage even with 4 spotters counting tables for you.

[seriousplayer]

I think you should step back and evaluate why you want to play 100 hands/hr.

I want to play 100 hands/hr with an advantage is because it increases my win rate. For cover purpose I don't want to backcount too long for those opportunities. The casino might be suspect that I am counting cards. If I get caught they will share info with other casinos then I will be history.

[Bodarc]

The solution to your problem is to find a dealer who deals 400 - 500 hands an hour. Start by checking out oriental dealers.

[ohbehave]

Being that shoes are generally played at about 60-80 rounds an hour, even if you could jump immediately from 1 advantage shoe to the next advantage shoe without a delay, its not realistic to expect 100 rounds/hour, and without spotters that can't be done, you have to watch the disadvantage rounds yourself which takes time and lowers the rounds played per hour. As has already been stated 10-20 rounds per hour at an advantage is very good.