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    Quote Originally Posted by Joker21 View Post
    You should be using half or quarter deck calculations
    The gains in using quarter deck are so little that it is not worthwhile. Half deck is good but, the context of the discussion is for a newer player. Full deck will be just fine. The increase in score is minimal, the largest gain would be in RoR. Depending on bankroll and what %kelly they are betting it could still be overkill when less errors will be made with full deck and less brainpower used. (If of course they decide to use a balanced count)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skull21 View Post
    Thanks a lot for pointing that out!
    I just read the article you mentioned.

    If I understood correctly, the main problem is that their sims were made before SCORE was "invented".
    So they optimized the betting scheme for KO and used the same one for the other systems, thus incurring in a great bias towards a higher KO performance.

    Now, with SCORE, you put all "games on an even playing field, assuming we define “even” as an equal and constant risk of ruin, assuming the same starting bankroll and the same betting limits for each system in identical games".

    Did I get it right?

    Best!
    No, this is not about SCORE. They used the same betting structure on all the sims. The betting structure was tailored to KO's strengths. I'm not sure when SCORE was invented, there was probably some form of it at least at the time of writing KO blackjack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muckz View Post
    No, this is not about SCORE. They used the same betting structure on all the sims. The betting structure was tailored to KO's strengths. I'm not sure when SCORE was invented, there was probably some form of it at least at the time of writing KO blackjack.
    "Here’s where Vancura and Fuchs went wrong. KO’s imbalance makes it strongest and most accurate when the running count is at its pivot. So, the authors, very logically, set up their sims so that KO was placing its high bets precisely at this point. The other systems, however, were then forced in their simulations to play with the same “average bet” that KO used."

    I thought that meant they had optimized the betting scheme for KO. But I guess this is not exactly the optimal betting ramp used to calculate SCORE, right?
    What I meant about SCORE is that, OK it is not directly about SCORE, but if they had used it, they would have optimized each system individually, thus having even grounds for comparison. Since they tweaked the betting scheme for KO and used the same one for the other systems, of course they biased the analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackjacktim View Post
    What is the difference between the full version of casino verite and the free version offered by this website?
    Basically, the free version is a very simplified demo version of what was originally designed for tablet/mobile use which Norm has generously offered here for free, it is a mere fraction of the full PC based Casino Verite.
    "One of these days in your travels, you are going to come across a guy with a nice brand new deck of cards, and this guy is going to offer to bet you that he can make the Jack of Spades jump out of the deck and squirt cider in your ear. But, son, do not take this bet, for if you do, as sure as you are standing there, you are going to end up with an ear full of cider."

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