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    Casinos usually have little to worry about from card counters on 6/5 Single Deck games. If the game is dealt deeply, and the casino will let you play it like a shoe game (i.e., huge spread or lots of sitting out of hands) you can beat it pretty easily. I know guys who used to crush the old even-money dealt to the bottom single deck "Experto 21" that used to be dealt at Grand Casinos in Biloxi and at Vegas World back in the day. The key is penetration and what the casino lets you get away with.

    Unfortunately, pen usually sucks and the casino sweats anything more than a very modest bet spread. They still protect it like it's an old school 3/2 single deck game sweat it as such.

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    i have played the 6/5 single deck a few times with short sessions of less than one hour each and lost a few big bets, which is inconclusive. i can't prove it now but my feeling is that this game can be beaten with large 10 to 1 bet spreads and the deep penetration of 80% or so and a side count of aces to play when deck is short of aces as described above. a simulation is crucial for me to fully commit to this game however.

    you need to find deep penetration, large spread, and no heat, which may be rare to find, but it does exist in selected venues. this 6/5 single deck is not my first choice; i only play it when 2 deck games are unaccessible.

    i remember the single deck even money dealt to bottom of deck at vegas world and i did very well at it years ago. this 6/5 single deck may be similar in advantage to the vegas world game of yesteryear. i think it is worth looking into and need not be totally avoided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhb View Post
    i have played the 6/5 single deck a few times with short sessions of less than one hour each and lost a few big bets, which is inconclusive. i can't prove it now but my feeling is that this game can be beaten with large 10 to 1 bet spreads and the deep penetration of 80% or so and a side count of aces to play when deck is short of aces as described above. a simulation is crucial for me to fully commit to this game however.

    you need to find deep penetration, large spread, and no heat, which may be rare to find, but it does exist in selected venues. this 6/5 single deck is not my first choice; i only play it when 2 deck games are unaccessible.

    i remember the single deck even money dealt to bottom of deck at vegas world and i did very well at it years ago. this 6/5 single deck may be similar in advantage to the vegas world game of yesteryear. i think it is worth looking into and need not be totally avoided.
    Basically, yes. It's a tool that can be in your repertoire, but don't assume you're going to pay the rent with it. I've bombed away (20-1) at some games with great pen because I knew the whole crew was stupid. On the other hand, lots of places in Vegas will tag you on this game, so be careful.

    Also, make sure you know your advantage by true count. Usually you want to be min-betting until +3 or +4 with a level 1 count. So a bet ramp that starts at +1 (like a regular pitch game) isn't good.
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