Simplifying troubles.

[seriousplayer]

[QUOTE= You might want to take a look at an easy level 2 count with no ace side count that scores very high on comparison charts. [/QUOTE]

One easy level 2 count with no ace side count that you could try is UBZII. UBZII could be used with ease.

[Pacman]

Pac,

That is cool you using Hi-2, but when you denigrate Hi-Lo, in the way you have done it,, you insult greatly those using Hi-Lo, so you will get heat. Be careful what you say and how you say it as to avoid making enemies when you need not do so.

Best,
Ouchez

In my first post i had stated i meant no offense towards any other players using hi lo. I am in no way trying to insult anyone. Hi lo is a great system. For beginners and Pros alike. Its great strength clearly being its ease of us vs returns gained.
In the large scheme of things, your counting system isnt to important when compared to playing conditions and penetration.
That said, for those of us who want to get the most out of these slowly crumbling conditions, we lean towards a more difficult counting system or more advanced techniques. I merely wish to have my cake and eat it too so to speak.

~Pac

[bjarg]

In my first post i had stated i meant no offense towards any other players using hi lo. I am in no way trying to insult anyone. Hi lo is a great system. For beginners and Pros alike. Its great strength clearly being its ease of us vs returns gained.
In the large scheme of things, your counting system isnt to important when compared to playing conditions and penetration.
That said, for those of us who want to get the most out of these slowly crumbling conditions, we lean towards a more difficult counting system or more advanced techniques. I merely wish to have my cake and eat it too so to speak.

Relax dude... nobodys going to be offended by anything you may have to say about hilo or about players that use it.
Like I said before, you clearly have no idea what the real benefits of such count are.
Your posts make nothing but confirm that.
You think its strength is its ease of us vs returns gained?
Guess again.
I think its just funny to see you show off saying how much of a genious you are for a level 1 count like hilo, when pretty much every pro out there is outperforming your HIOPT II hourly, probably even playing 50% penetration games with crappy rules.
Im not trying to pick on you, Im just laughing my ass off and I wanted to share that with anybody who might be as well.
Im guessing a lot of people have migrated off this forum and apparently the only one participating in this discussion thats really understanding is Ouchez.
Keep counting and good luck with that.

[KJ]

In my first post i had stated i meant no offense towards any other players using hi lo. I am in no way trying to insult anyone. Hi lo is a great system. For beginners and Pros alike. Its great strength clearly being its ease of us vs returns gained.

That said, for those of us who want to get the most out of these slowly crumbling conditions, we lean towards a more difficult counting system or more advanced techniques. I merely wish to have my cake and eat it too so to speak.

~Pac

First, let me say, I completely agree with Ouchez. Usually during these discussions, the implication is made that those of us playing hi-lo are inferior or weak. Sometimes it is masked in political correctness as Pac has done, and sometimes less subtle as Flash likes to go. But the implication is always there.

In the past, and fairly recent past, I have taken offense at this, but somehow reading this thread, I really don't care any longer. My feathers aren't ruffled at all. I am very pleased with my results from my 'keep things simple approach'. I am having a real strong year. I have a real good chance of my results from the blackjack portion of my activities being the best of my 10 year career, by a pretty substainal margin.

More importantly, my results are pretty far above expectation for the rounds and betting level that I have played, and this is the reason that I bring this up. Using a simple count like hi-lo, allows me to employ other things (things previously mentioned, that I am not going to specify again) which enables my actual results to be much better than projected or simmed results for my amount of play. I am talking about increases of greater than 50%. Increases that dwarf any 'simmed' benefit of using a level 2 or 3 count.

So I want to refer to Pac's second paragraph that I quoted. Getting more out of crumbling conditions by employing a higher level count, (and forgive me for the repetitive use of this line) but it is chasing pennies when you should be thinking in terms of chasing dollars.

But to each, his own.

[Three]

That chart sure looks like the ace neutral counts aren't allowed to use the ace side count that they were designed to use. This makes for a silly comparison. I guess use the chart to compare all the ace reckoned counts.

[Pacman]

I have not claimed to be any form of genius. The casinos here are small. 1 blackjack table. If im in a play all situation, i want the most out of it.

And I have not abandoned the dollars to be chased, quite the contrary. I've done quite a bit of studying lately and have been much more selective in better conditions to warrant the use of said higher level count. Scouting casinos and dealers alike and keeping notes of my favorites. Most dealers around here aren't to exploitable (trained well enough) but i find a gold nugget here and there amongst the pennies. I'd say the extra work is worth it.

I hope one day to travel and get out to the casinos with a great supply of games. I can see hilo being superior under those conditions simply because of its ease of use. I'm no fool. Get a lil creative with a count that requires less energy and you can over come alot. Obviously playing any game faster and perfectly, will win the day.
Other exploitable techniques clearly crushing any advantage derived from counting.

~Pac