i am sincere in saying, "thanks for that explanation." guess i have been slow to realize you have heard it tens of thousands of times and that explains the impatience. still not entirely convinced with all the points made and characterizations but i am making my way through the forum and I AM learning. re-looked at my original post and wish i had not given you reason to think i was claiming "all counters closed-minded jerks" but, in fairness, as other newbies observe, what i had read in the forum before posting was often impolite and often needlessly abrupt, arrogant and egotistical-----true in the archives and true today----i love the game of twenty one and want to develop advantaged play---maybe the enterprise is so darn self-absorbed that it brings out the worst in me and quite a few others---my thanks to those who have been exceptions-you are probably lifetime winners at AND away from the tables.
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