Anyone else notice that for an 8-Deck game with a K-O IRC of -28, it takes a very long time for a shoe to get positive or at least to the key-count of -6? I often find myself flat-betting for the majority of the shoe, and often with only 4-5 rounds with a greater than 1 unit bet out there (as per K-O spread and ramp).
Thoughts?
Tks,
MCS
Yes, it takes a long time for the advantage to swing in your favor with 8 decks, if at all.
> Anyone else notice that for an 8-Deck game with a K-O
> IRC of -28, it takes a very long time for a shoe to
> get positive or at least to the key-count of -6? I
> often find myself flat-betting for the majority of the
> shoe, and often with only 4-5 rounds with a greater
> than 1 unit bet out there (as per K-O spread and
> ramp).
> Thoughts?
> Tks,
> MCS
Thanks Norm,
can you suggest a better/more effective level 1 count w/o need for true count conversion?
Tks,
MCS
There's a couple things I have been known to do using K-O in multiple deck shoes.
First is a "guesstimate" true count. I use IRC=0, so for every deck in the discard rack, the count should average +4. So if the count is +8 after one deck is out I may double up my bet until it evens out again or goes positive at +22.
Second (I got this from one of Henry Tamburin's books) is to do a positive bet progression during the early shoe (I do 1-2-3-4-5). It doesn't add any mathematical advantage, but you won't feel silly when the table goes on a tear and the ploppies are all making money hand over fist pressing their bets while you flat the minimum. It also adds cover, as your raises during + counts aren't as obvious.
The best solution is to back count & wong in, but I know this isn't always practical in busy places.
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