orster52: Span21 Adjustments

[orster52]

I've played span21 for about a year now. I play the 6D,H17,DDD,-0.42% game.

I'm comfortable with all the indices from Kat Waler's book. I spread min to max when I play.

How to improve? Learn the index adjusments for the 678 and multicard hands. There were 50 new indices to learn. I became comfortable with the new indices in about two weeks. Now this is alert the media time, since it usually takes me a long time to really get it down. It took me six months to finally get it down with the 150 original indices.

The new indices only add about 1% to my win rate, but they were worth it to keep up my interest in playing. At any rate, for those who have not yet added the adjusments to your arsenal, you might be surprised at how easy it is.

[Aruuba]

> I've played span21 for about a year now. I play the
> 6D,H17,DDD,-0.42% game.

> I'm comfortable with all the indices from Kat Waler's
> book. I spread min to max when I play.

> How to improve? Learn the index adjusments for the 678
> and multicard hands. There were 50 new indices to
> learn. I became comfortable with the new indices in
> about two weeks. Now this is alert the media time,
> since it usually takes me a long time to really get it
> down. It took me six months to finally get it down
> with the 150 original indices.

> The new indices only add about 1% to my win rate, but
> they were worth it to keep up my interest in playing.
> At any rate, for those who have not yet added the
> adjusments to your arsenal, you might be surprised at
> how easy it is.

I guess why not extract every ounce you can. 1% does seem miniscule though . I guess something more to think about is what makes it more interesting or is it the more money? I mean 1000 hrs later will you really care you made $101,000 instead of only $100,000?

So now I ask, if using 150 indexes bored you after 6 months, and now, your using these adjustments too, where do you go from here to keep up your interest?

I guess there's always the Super Bonus adjustment! but after that?

I guess all you can do now is play the same boring game using the same boring indexes forever! Which is cool with me. And good luck to you.

What are the min-max bet ratios where you play? 50-1? More?
Answer optional - just curious.

[orster52]

> I guess why not extract every ounce you can. 1% does
> seem miniscule though . I guess something more to
> think about is what makes it more interesting or is it
> the more money? I mean 1000 hrs later will you really
> care you made $101,000 instead of only $100,000?

> So now I ask, if using 150 indexes bored you after 6
> months, and now, your using these adjustments too,
> where do you go from here to keep up your interest?

> I guess there's always the Super Bonus adjustment! but
> after that?

> I guess all you can do now is play the same boring
> game using the same boring indexes forever! Which is
> cool with me. And good luck to you.

> What are the min-max bet ratios where you play? 50-1?
> More?
> Answer optional - just curious.

I play 50-1 and 60-1 games.

To stave off the boredom I'm hopeful Kat will come to my rescue with a level two or level three system with indices in her next book. I would expect that to only add about 4% to win rate. I'm also hopeful someday someone will publish hole card charts for Span21. Span21 is still in its infancy for theory and I do enjoy reading anything new about it. Emeraldcitybj recently wrote about deviations caused by hitting the max, which I found interesting, for instance.

I expect that interest will wax and wane for most long time players. With me its the smoke that gets to me and I need to take a break from it on occasion. I'm still finding Span21 to be more interesting to play than regular bj.

Good luck.

[AutomaticMonkey]

> I play 50-1 and 60-1 games.

> To stave off the boredom I'm hopeful Kat will come to
> my rescue with a level two or level three system with
> indices in her next book. I would expect that to only
> add about 4% to win rate. I'm also hopeful someday
> someone will publish hole card charts for Span21.
> Span21 is still in its infancy for theory and I do
> enjoy reading anything new about it. Emeraldcitybj
> recently wrote about deviations caused by hitting the
> max, which I found interesting, for instance.

> I expect that interest will wax and wane for most long
> time players. With me its the smoke that gets to me
> and I need to take a break from it on occasion. I'm
> still finding Span21 to be more interesting to play
> than regular bj.

> Good luck.

It is an interesting game and I get most of my play in on SP21 these days, using my own level 2 system and 10 indices.

One big difference between it and BJ play is in SP21 you should be prepared to camp out. Your spread is big enough where playing the negative hands doesn't hurt that much, and it's not like you can Wong around the floor to new shoes all the time like you can in a big casino with a lot of BJ tables. And being we don't have much of a heat problem, when you find a game with good pen and good speed it might be best to stay there and blast away at it for as long as you can.

The second major difference is the crowd that plays it. Very simple-minded, and I don't mean that necessarily in a bad way. Both the friendliest and the nastiest people I've encountered in a casino have been at the Spanish 21 table. Being interaction with the civilians is part of a good AP's skill set we should at least be aware of this.

[Aruuba]

> I play 50-1 and 60-1 games.

> To stave off the boredom I'm hopeful Kat will come to
> my rescue with a level two or level three system with
> indices in her next book. I would expect that to only
> add about 4% to win rate. I'm also hopeful someday
> someone will publish hole card charts for Span21.
> Span21 is still in its infancy for theory and I do
> enjoy reading anything new about it. Emeraldcitybj
> recently wrote about deviations caused by hitting the
> max, which I found interesting, for instance.

> I expect that interest will wax and wane for most long
> time players. With me its the smoke that gets to me
> and I need to take a break from it on occasion. I'm
> still finding Span21 to be more interesting to play
> than regular bj.

> Good luck.

Thanks for your reply - like you say there's always something just over the horizon we think about possibly doing!

I only asked about your spread because for me, and I'm not nearly as advanced in use of indexes as you are, I tend to focus more on the betting side of things than the playing strategy deparures and their possible effect on win rate, which keeps me interested. If I think I can spread so much what to bet and when if table min might change, what will that be if and when pen changes drastically, what will I bet if I can spread to multiple hands when the opportunity possibly arises, what and when will I bet if I occasionally can make a back-count bet, all the while trying to keep my bankroll subject to a risk I'm comfortable with.

I don't know why, but no matter how perfectly I think I played with however many indexes or how perfectly I think I betted, maybe it's just the ultimate helplessness of all that anyway, but I just never get bored with the ups and downs of variance.

[zoomie]

> One big difference between it and BJ play is in SP21
> you should be prepared to camp out. Your spread is big
> enough where playing the negative hands doesn't hurt
> that much, and it's not like you can Wong around the
> floor to new shoes all the time like you can in a big
> casino with a lot of BJ tables.

True.

> And being we don't
> have much of a heat problem, when you find a game with
> good pen and good speed it might be best to stay there
> and blast away at it for as long as you can.

No question. Why not? And as long as you can means as long as you can stay awake, as the house will not mess with you.

> The second major difference is the crowd that plays
> it. Very simple-minded, and I don't mean that
> necessarily in a bad way. Both the friendliest and the
> nastiest people I've encountered in a casino have been
> at the Spanish 21 table. Being interaction with the
> civilians is part of a good AP's skill set we should
> at least be aware of this.

Such an insight. The interactions at SP21 are incredible. And let's not forget that you see the same people all the time, like you are neighbors. And you have the same fights and the same laughs, every time.

[21forme]

I have seen some better Sp21 players recently. Not good, just better. They know to hit 12 all the time, but that's where it ends :.)

[SP21 Self Taught]

> The second major difference is the crowd that plays
> it. Very simple-minded, and I don't mean that
> necessarily in a bad way. Both the friendliest and the
> nastiest people I've encountered in a casino have been
> at the Spanish 21 table. Being interaction with the
> civilians is part of a good AP's skill set we should
> at least be aware of this.

Be prepared for no end of grief when you match the dealer's upcard and you did not play it. The best thing you can do is deflect it with mock self pity. I always hunch my shoulders and cower like a scalded dog, it gets a chuckle, and that is that.

For extra irony, when you bet two hands at table max, and get K4 and K5 versus the dealer's K, the player with the $3 blackjack will tell you how unfair it is.

If you can survive that, you are set.