zoomie: SP21 Rule Dispute - Splitting

[zoomie]

Aways back in a tiny casino far from home I split a pair with 6 units down, never doubled, drew a 5-card 21 for 3-2 (I thought). Dealer was unsure and pit boss would not authorize the bonus. I researched the applicable regulatory body's rules and of course splitting does not cancel the little bonuses (as opposed to the Super Bonus). Inviting criticism, my question is, Should I complain to that regulatory body under my own name? Would it do any good to complain anonymously? I know it is not worth my time, but I am a lawyer and this is kind of a busman's holiday (plus this little shop is so far from home I will probably never see it again).

[orster52]

> Aways back in a tiny casino far from home I split a
> pair with 6 units down, never doubled, drew a 5-card
> 21 for 3-2 (I thought). Dealer was unsure and pit boss
> would not authorize the bonus. I researched the
> applicable regulatory body's rules and of course
> splitting does not cancel the little bonuses (as
> opposed to the Super Bonus). Inviting criticism, my
> question is, Should I complain to that regulatory body
> under my own name? Would it do any good to complain
> anonymously? I know it is not worth my time, but I am
> a lawyer and this is kind of a busman's holiday (plus
> this little shop is so far from home I will probably
> never see it again).

I had something occur in a tribal casino. I researched the law on it and found a $500 or less provision that basically allowed only recourse through an indian agency, not a court, so I didn't do a thing.

I also thought it might be fun to create some new case law, but finally decided that it couldn't be worth the time and aggravation. I understand the inclination, but think 52 times before saying yes to involvement. It would be a lot more fun if someone was paying you $200 an
hour to get it corrected. Good luck.

[Aruuba]

> Aways back in a tiny casino far from home I split a
> pair with 6 units down, never doubled, drew a 5-card
> 21 for 3-2 (I thought). Dealer was unsure and pit boss
> would not authorize the bonus. I researched the
> applicable regulatory body's rules and of course
> splitting does not cancel the little bonuses (as
> opposed to the Super Bonus). Inviting criticism, my
> question is, Should I complain to that regulatory body
> under my own name? Would it do any good to complain
> anonymously? I know it is not worth my time, but I am
> a lawyer and this is kind of a busman's holiday (plus
> this little shop is so far from home I will probably
> never see it again).

Heck yes, I say! Fight the good fight, Don Quixote. The less money involved, the more principled you are. Maybe you'll get your money and they'll be fined.

Even if you don't win, at least you won't have to live with the fact you know they screwed you and you know you did zippo about it.

As Law and Order would say, do you want this happening to the next guy too? Maybe it won't, if you testify

You golf? You have to protect the field, right?

At least send the Commission an e-mail and ask what's involved, maybe explain what happened and see what they say. Then, after they, no doubt, give you the run-around, you can withdraw with honor.

If you feel like it, let us know what you decided or did. Or not.

I don't know - I thought maybe they had this rule written on the felt - like bonuses don't apply to doubled hands. Maybe not.

I see alot of pay-out mistakes by the dealer. Not infrequently having to insist on re-hitting and re-splitting Aces etc.

Surely the 5-card 21 rule was written on the felt? What justification were you given?

Can you say which reg body it is?

Whatever you do about this, what will you do differently, or not, armed now as you are with the sure and certain knowledge of what the rules actually are, if it ever happens again anywhere under that jurisdiction - so what if this was a tiny casino, or are you never going back to this jurisdiction?

Hope these were $5 units

[AutomaticMonkey]

> Aways back in a tiny casino far from home I split a
> pair with 6 units down, never doubled, drew a 5-card
> 21 for 3-2 (I thought). Dealer was unsure and pit boss
> would not authorize the bonus. I researched the
> applicable regulatory body's rules and of course
> splitting does not cancel the little bonuses (as
> opposed to the Super Bonus). Inviting criticism, my
> question is, Should I complain to that regulatory body
> under my own name? Would it do any good to complain
> anonymously? I know it is not worth my time, but I am
> a lawyer and this is kind of a busman's holiday (plus
> this little shop is so far from home I will probably
> never see it again).

It's obviously wrong, and chances are it's just the result of an ignorant pit boss. If there is a legitimate regulatory body I would complain just for the sake of retaliation.

Some people, they will tell you 'no' just because it's easier than thinking. So what I've done in situations like this is feign extreme annoyance and project extreme certainty. E.g. "Don't be a wise guy, pal. Don't even try it. You know it pays 3:2. You fucking people, you're kicking the shit out of me all day at these tables and then you have to take a shot at me on a little fucking bonus? Jesus Christ, what kind of a shithole casino is this?"

Eek! Well, you might not get away with that language other than in LV or the Northeast, but you get the picture.