Jim: Measures Casinos Take

[Jim]

First they start with one or two pitbosses cutting against you whom you can avoid more or less. Then it becomes a universal policy of the casino to cut two decks of 6 decks. When they start to go 2.5 decks your time is almost up. Oh how I cherish 1 or less decks cut off of 6 decks. But as long as there is a one pass shuffle, 3 decks cut off of 6 is no worry and if you are on, perhaps even better.

I have noticed casions now: putting the cards in the discard tray not at the top but randomly where they like anywhere in the discards to mix it up. They do this even though they may use an shuffle machine or use a two pass shuffle. That tells me they don't know what they are doing, because it slows down play when they do that and is not required with a shuffle machine. Perhaps they are just protecting themselves in the event a shuffle machine breaks down and they have to hand shuffle. Actually they do a simple hand shuffle after the machine shuffle, presumably to give plays a little break.

You can still track it when they place the discards randomly in the discard tray, but it takes some thinking and close monitoring. But when they use a two pass shuffle also I tend to leave that casino as they are also cutting 3 decks and 10 cards on me. Too much overkill. They are so proud of themselves they didn't have to bar me, but what they don't realize is they are still being unethical: 1) not treating everyone the same; 2) not letting me play on a table higher than 7x$100. There is a big difference in battling that horrible game on 7x$100 vs. 7x$1000.

Anyone who knows better is going to receive their just punishment for discrimination. I truly believe that.

[PunkEye]

> First they start with one or two pitbosses cutting
> against you whom you can avoid more or less. Then it
> becomes a universal policy of the casino to cut two
> decks of 6 decks. When they start to go 2.5 decks your
> time is almost up. Oh how I cherish 1 or less decks
> cut off of 6 decks. But as long as there is a one pass
> shuffle, 3 decks cut off of 6 is no worry and if you
> are on, perhaps even better.

> I have noticed casions now: putting the cards in the
> discard tray not at the top but randomly where they
> like anywhere in the discards to mix it up. They do
> this even though they may use an shuffle machine or
> use a two pass shuffle. That tells me they don't know
> what they are doing, because it slows down play when
> they do that and is not required with a shuffle
> machine. Perhaps they are just protecting themselves
> in the event a shuffle machine breaks down and they
> have to hand shuffle. Actually they do a simple hand
> shuffle after the machine shuffle, presumably to give
> plays a little break.

> You can still track it when they place the discards
> randomly in the discard tray, but it takes some
> thinking and close monitoring. But when they use a two
> pass shuffle also I tend to leave that casino as they
> are also cutting 3 decks and 10 cards on me. Too much
> overkill. They are so proud of themselves they didn't
> have to bar me, but what they don't realize is they
> are still being unethical: 1) not treating everyone
> the same; 2) not letting me play on a table higher
> than 7x$100. There is a big difference in battling
> that horrible game on 7x$100 vs. 7x$1000.

> Anyone who knows better is going to receive their just
> punishment for discrimination. I truly believe that.

WHAT GRIPE ARE YOUR TRYING TO MAKE?

[LVBear584]

... what they don't realize is they are still being unethical...

Do you really think they care one bit about being unethical? The absence of ethics is in the basic business model of the entire casino industry.

Opinions and Commentary on the Gaming Industry

[Jim]

> ... what they don't realize is they are still being
> unethical... Do you really think they care one bit
> about being unethical ? The absence of ethics is in
> the basic business model of the entire casino
> industry.

Actually, my belief is the reason they let you play at all, at least for a awhile, even though they know you are making money off of them is because their conscience is eating away at them that they discriminate. They rationalize it by saying they have made lots of money over the years, what's one card counter. It shows they have a conscience, but it doesn't last very long, as their soul hardens further for the love of money. Just know there is no point of no return. As long as you are live you can yet be saved. They feel they are being righteous by letting the card counter play for a awhile, but that is just the flesh trying to rationalize their sin nature as evident by the fact in the end they ban the person days, weeks or a few months later.

Everything a casino operator does to stop the card counter in the end costs the casino far more money than they lose from one or two card counters. And therein is the justice. We are like God's armies, one after another, a constant frustration to the evil system of casinos. Make no mistake about it.

Put it this way:

1) putting the discards not at the top but in the middle somewhere slows down action and the casino makes less money. It also makes them look irrationally paranoid which can't be good for business. People are not total morons.

2) automatic shufflers are expensive and increase the disadvantage against the player so much they lose customers more than they would otherwise.

3) worse penetration also slows down action and increases the house advantage causing people to get creamed more and bring less friends to the casino (all else being equal).

4) casinos get a bad rep when a person is kicked out for using their mind, because word gets around.

From this perspective, it all seems to make sense. The card counter is rewarded with his controlled risk taking because he is in the truth.

I am up $109,000 in 1100 hours of play in three and a half months. I also believe card counting is opportunity raise money, but may not necessarily be a career. It is to help the poor person get a couple of hundred thousand dollars to get his life financially stable. Isn't God wonderful?

p.s. and yes, you can start with a bankroll of only $5000, staying under a risk of ruin of 5% at least until you get to $50,000 or so, then drop the ROR to 2% at $100,000 and 1% at $200,000.

[Brick]

Gee,$5000 will get a poor guy several hundred thousand bucks so they can get there life together? If that's the case I should be a millionaire ten times over. You are indeed the luckiest dude in the world.

Cyberpace is great,it allows us to read,learn,dream,post and last but not least...live in fantasy!

[Parker]

> Actually, my belief is the reason they let you play at
> all, at least for a awhile, even though they know you
> are making money off of them is because their
> conscience is eating away at them that they
> discriminate.

If a casino is letting you play ("you" being a card counter), it is because of one of the following:

1. They are inept and have not yet identified you as a counter.

2. They are still evaluating you in order to make certain that they do not throw out a profitable (to the casino) player.

3. They have evaluated you and determined that you are playing a losing game (too many mistakes, cover plays, etc.) despite being a counter.

Conscience has absolutely nothing to do with it.

> 1) putting the discards not at the top but in the
> middle somewhere slows down action and the casino
> makes less money. It also makes them look irrationally
> paranoid which can't be good for business. People are
> not total morons.

Most non-counters don't even notice.

> 4) casinos get a bad rep when a person is kicked out
> for using their mind, because word gets around.

Not really. Even the most paranoid of casinos do not seem to have any shortage of players.

The proliferation of 6:5 blackjack doesn't say much for the intelligence/perception of the average (non-counter) player.

> From this perspective, it all seems to make sense. The
> card counter is rewarded with his controlled risk
> taking because he is in the truth.

The card counter makes money because he is playing with a mathematical edge. There is really nothing more to it.

> It is to help the poor person get a couple of
> hundred thousand dollars to get his life financially
> stable.

Every successful card counter I know (and I know quite a few) is exceptionally intelligent, motivated, and self-disciplined. He (or she) would likely be successful at any endeavor he (or she) were to attempt.

Anyone who can easily put together a starting bankroll for card counting ($5K is too small, at least for play in the US - $20K is a practical minimum), has probably found an easier way to make money than counting cards.

[BJinNJ]

That's 78.6 hrs. per week in casinos. All waking hours.
Doesn't sound realistic to me.

BJinNJ

[SOTSOG]

> That's 78.6 hrs. per week in casinos. All waking
> hours.
> Doesn't sound realistic to me.

> BJinNJ

You use your sleeping hours to scout games.

[Dog Hand]

... clearly, he's playing in his dreams! ;-)

Dog Hand

[Brick]

> ... clearly, he's playing in his dreams! ;-)

It appears Jim has finally awaken from his dreams. If he does venture out in the real world and gains some experience of card couting(from our side of the tables) he will soon understand it is not as simple as he has presumed it to be. However I do agree with his opinions of pathetic counter measures some casinos apply and the adverse effects it has on their bottom line.

Jim seems to know more about what goes on in the mind of casinos than what goes on in the mind of a true card counter,and the conditions and risk involved.

Brick

[Brick]

Jim claims he has facial mouldings glued to his face in less than 2 hours prior to his marathon sessions. He says it cost him....,uh,I think he said $250 a day, but since he makes all this money(ev?)playing bj it's worth the cost. I guess he sleeps less than what you thought. I'm still waiting to hear about the brown disposable bag he has tied to his waist.