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Thread: zoomie: Sp21 and Revere Point Count

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    zoomie
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    zoomie: Sp21 and Revere Point Count

    I have used RPC for nearly 30 years and really do not want to change if I don't have to. Can anyone offer insight into variations of indices needed for RPC compared to those in Katarina's excellent book? TIA to all who can help.

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: Sp21 and Revere Point Count

    > I have used RPC for nearly 30 years and really do not
    > want to change if I don't have to. Can anyone offer
    > insight into variations of indices needed for RPC
    > compared to those in Katarina's excellent book? TIA to
    > all who can help.

    I see your 30 years and raise you two! :-) In general, for regular BJ, the RPC indices (with true count reckoned by dividing by half decks) are all very close (within one, or the same) to the Hi-Lo indices. While I can't say with certainty that that would also be the case for SP21, I can't see why there would be much difference.

    Don

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    DoctorBJ
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    DoctorBJ: Re: Sp21 and Revere Point Count

    > I see your 30 years and raise you two! :-) In general,
    > for regular BJ, the RPC indices (with true count
    > reckoned by dividing by half decks) are all very close
    > (within one, or the same) to the Hi-Lo indices. While
    > I can't say with certainty that that would also be the
    > case for SP21, I can't see why there would be much
    > difference.

    > Don

    Don, I am also a long time RPC user. Given the fact that the removal value for the 7 is closer to neutral for SP21 and the 8 has a somewhat negative removal value, I have reassigned 7 to a value of 0 from +1 and have changed the 8 from 0 to -1. Other than that, I am using all the other card values from RPC. I have not run a simulation yet, but my instincts tell me that this will produce a more accurate count than using standard RPC. Your thoughts on that would be appreciated. Having said that, I agree with you that the should not be any significant difference in results between hi-lo and rpc when using Walker's indices.

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    AutomaticMonkey
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    AutomaticMonkey: RPC might not work

    > I have used RPC for nearly 30 years and really do not
    > want to change if I don't have to. Can anyone offer
    > insight into variations of indices needed for RPC
    > compared to those in Katarina's excellent book? TIA to
    > all who can help.

    I use RPC for shoe blackjack too. Problem is, in SP21 the 7 is a neutral card, so counting it will definitely hurt you.

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    DoctorBJ
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    DoctorBJ: Re: RPC might not work

    > I use RPC for shoe blackjack too. Problem is, in SP21
    > the 7 is a neutral card, so counting it will
    > definitely hurt you.

    You are correct. The 7 has minimal negative removal value (-.04) according to Walker. But what if you modify RPC and make 7=0 and make 8=(-1). Seems to me that may solve the problem. Any thoughts Mr. Schlessinger?

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    Zenfighter
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    Zenfighter: Re: Sp21 and Revere Point Count

    You would need to start here with a RC = - 48 (6*4*(-2)). Curiously, due to the nature of these specific effects of removal, you won?t get better rewards in betting correlation than its colleague, the one-level Hi-lo count. On the other hand, expect a better playing efficiency in the range of what?s a normal difference for regular blackjack between these two counts.

    Sincerely,

    Zf


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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: RPC might not work

    > You are correct. The 7 has minimal negative removal
    > value (-.04) according to Walker. But what if you
    > modify RPC and make 7=0 and make 8=(-1). Seems to me
    > that may solve the problem. Any thoughts Mr.
    > Schlesinger?

    Yes, yours seems like an intelligent alteration for SP21, which is not to say that there may be even better level-2 counts, more suitable for this.

    Don

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    Zenfighter
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    Zenfighter: Re: You've got an improvement

    I have used here Kat?s published eor?s (with three decimals).

     
    Hi-Lo RPC Yours
    0.290 1 1 1
    0.400 1 2 2
    0.562 1 2 2
    0.651 1 2 2
    0.400 1 2 2
    0.040 0 1 0
    -0.210 0 0 -1
    -0.170 0 0 0
    -0.438 -1 -2 -2
    -0.438 -1 -2 -2
    -0.438 -1 -2 -2
    -0.733 -1 -2 -2

    Corr. 0.956 0.956 0.968




    That?s a clear improvement over Hi-Lo and RPC, both counts matching each other, btw, as I said below on another post of the thread.

    Sincerely,

    Zf

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    Katarina Walker
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    Katarina Walker: I'll put RPC indices in my next book.

    But don't hold your breath!!!

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