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Thread: 21forme: What is the real advantge of a 6D game over an 8D game?

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    21forme
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    21forme: What is the real advantge of a 6D game over an 8D game?

    A counter friend of mine and I were recently discussing our preferred AC games. He doesn't mind 8D games, doing a lot of sitting out hands, taking phone calls, etc. I prefer 6D games, my supposition is they go into plus counts much more frequently.

    Granted, the BS edge of a 6D game is only 0.03% compared with a 8D game, are there any numbers showing the "real" advantage to a counter? If someone can provide numbers or a sim, assume standard AC rules. Thanks.

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    Norm Wattenberger
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    Norm Wattenberger: No problem

    Mostly depends on penetration. Just plug in the numbers at the below link and look at the SCOREs:


    CVCX Online

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    Norm Wattenberger
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    Norm Wattenberger: Better link


    Click below for the exact page



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    21forme
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    21forme: Re: No problem

    Thanks, Norm. That is helpful. One more "for instance..."

    Suppose you're backcounting and plan to wong in at TC=1.5, however, if that point is not reached by the time 2 decks are dealt, is there a way to calculate what percentage of the shoes counted you'll be playing?

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    21forme
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    21forme: Clarified last post

    > Thanks, Norm. That is helpful. One more "for
    > instance..."

    > Suppose you're backcounting and plan to wong in at
    > TC=1.5, however, if that point is not reached by the
    > time 2 decks are dealt, is there a way to calculate
    > what percentage of the shoes counted you'll be
    > playing?

    On second read, this doesn't quite make sense. Let's try again...

    Suppose you're backcounting and plan to wong in at
    TC=1.5, however, if that point is not reached by the
    time 2 decks are dealt, you move on to another shoe.
    Is there a way to calculate what percentage of the shoes counted you'll be playing?

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: Clarified last post

    > On second read, this doesn't quite make sense. Let's
    > try again...

    > Suppose you're backcounting and plan to wong in at
    > TC=1.5, however, if that point is not reached by the
    > time 2 decks are dealt, you move on to another shoe.
    > Is there a way to calculate what percentage of the
    > shoes counted you'll be playing?

    Have you read the Optimal Departure chapter of BJA3? It might help answer some of your questions.

    Don

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    21forme
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    21forme: Re: Clarified last post

    > Have you read the Optimal Departure chapter of BJA3?
    > It might help answer some of your questions.

    > Don

    Not recently, but I just pulled the book off the shelf and marked the spot. I'm currently reading Grosjean's Beyond Counting, and I'll reread this section of BJA3 next. Thanks Don!

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    Wylie
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    Wylie: In addition


    to re-reading BJA3, you really need to get a simulator.

    CVData is by far the easiest to use and has great support. I can't imagine playing blackjack without being able to answer my own questions regarding the math. I'm not educated in mathematics, but the CVData is able to give me answers to almost any question I have.



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    rick666
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    rick666: Re: What is the real advantge of a 6D game over an 8D game?

    > A counter friend of mine and I were recently
    > discussing our preferred AC games. He doesn't mind 8D
    > games, doing a lot of sitting out hands, taking phone
    > calls, etc. I prefer 6D games, my supposition is they
    > go into plus counts much more frequently.

    > Granted, the BS edge of a 6D game is only 0.03%
    > compared with a 8D game, are there any numbers showing
    > the "real" advantage to a counter? If
    > someone can provide numbers or a sim, assume standard
    > AC rules. Thanks.
    for me there is no difference if the penetration is good; also if the count becomes positive early i have noted that you will have more positive hands whit a 8 deck shoe before the end of the shoe than whit a 6-deck shoe; so the pleasure or the pain are longer

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