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  1. #14
    Sun Runner
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    Sun Runner: Re: Your cousin

    > I do not think my cousin is suffering with paranoia
    > and you might agree with a little more detail ..

    OK, point(s) taken.

    > Even his mother (a retired pit boss)
    > though has told him the money is a trap and he should
    > further educate himself and get out of dealing
    > quickly.

    There are a lot of those payroll traps out there.

    Can you say what your cousin makes as a dealer; hourly and tips? If not, no sweat.

    Take care.


  2. #15
    Victoria
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    Victoria: Re: Your cousin

    > OK, point(s) taken.

    > There are a lot of those payroll traps out there.

    > Can you say what your cousin makes as a dealer; hourly
    > and tips? If not, no sweat.

    > Take care.

    It is my understanding that he should make a little over $60,000 this year but I can not break it down per tips and salary but obviously it is mainly tips.
    Of course they pool and though I do not play at casinos where family works, I have watched him deal. He is a good looking guy with a nice smile and a personality that would appear very player friendly. We know he just pulls the next card out of the shoe, but I think his personality will pull in tokes.

    The thing about many dealers is that they can not handle the other BS that comes with the job. Anyone can pull cards from the shoe with minimal training. Dealers land up feeling they are caught in some kind of vice. There is the petty bickering between workmates, pit types giving them grief and plenty of players who believe they lost because of the dealer and want to exact some revenge. He has enough people to guide him through that perhaps but he already knows he is smarter than his boss so I expect he will have a short dealer career.
    Victoria

  3. #16
    WallStRunoff
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    WallStRunoff: Re: Your cousin

    > Outside of your cousin's possible mis-placed paranoia
    > about the casino's disdain for their own dealers, your
    > cousin sounds fairly smart to me.

    > I live in an area relatively new to dealing BJ and 95%
    > of the local casinos opened their doors with CSMs and
    > ASMs. Add'lly 99% of the tables, then and now, are
    > populated by hardcore ploppies.

    > I could never find a relationship between which tables
    > used CSMs and which used ASMs -the pits are small and
    > the table limits, generally, are small and standard.

    > Interestingly enough, about one year later, the CSMs
    > are getting pushed back out of play unless the volume
    > of players requires a table to be opened up and they
    > need a shuffler.

    It seems to me to make business sense that a casino opening in virgin gambling territory would first choose to open up with lower payout, faster moving games. The reasoning being that the market has fresh untapped risk capital stores that can be depleted in the first few months or a year. Following the initial onslaught, the players may become frustrated w/ their loss rates and the casinos would (hypothetically) slow their games down to increase patronage and realign the house edge to match the regional disposable income rates.

    In light of Victoria's point about her cousin, which I hadn't considered, these young casinos may experience a high turnover rate as dealers become disillusioned by their ever decreasing toke rates, at which point a hand shuffle would provide an added boost to help reduce such turnover.

    > Parker's comment that most CSMs are leased and not
    > purchased was new to me. Maybe they are on the way out
    > due to that. Or maybe even the ploppies are finally
    > getting it. If so, I continue to hope that the
    > ploppies will also get sick of the ASMs.

  4. #17
    Victoria
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    Victoria: Re: Your cousin

    Wall St.

    That may be a good casino idea where Sunrunner is located. My cousin happens to work at one of the upper level Vegas casinos. At a casino like this I have to guess that the beancounters feel (and probably do have a point) that the low limit games are a loss leader because to run a $10 or $5 blackjack table the cost is about the same as a $100 table. So they make most of their low level blackjack 6/5 and put in games like carribean stud, let it ride, etc at low levels.
    Let's face it, they want the bigger players and feeling that they are giving something away to small players has to be considered unproductive.

    Victoria

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